Chuck Yates Needs A Job

0:00 Did you ever hear me talking about when I introduced Laura to my parents? So, you know, I've posted. Laura's the British girlfriend. British girlfriend. I've never introduced a post divorce.

0:10 I've never introduced anyone to my parents. And so this is kind of a big deal. We're all going. We all got to dinner. We're sitting around. And the three of them are like, Hey, how do we

0:20 download your podcast? I'm like, what the fuck? Y'all are like, literally the home team. How many episodes were you in at that point? Two and a half years of doing this stuff. It's like, good

0:32 God. Great. You have a podcast. Exactly. Exactly. That's exactly what it felt

0:41 like. That's awesome. Yeah. No, I mean, I think for me, like, you know, maybe just for a little bit of context, right? Like you were telling Julie when she was here setting up, like, you

0:50 know, how did I even end up on this podcast? Cause like, to some extent, I was like, I don't even know, you know, like, I know the people you've had on this podcast. Greg Little is a guy I

0:59 know from the mid-states days. So I might talk about that a little bit, but I was like, yeah, I was like, why am I here? And then I was, you know, trying to, trying to prepare to sound

1:11 somewhat articulate and have something interesting to say. Somebody on your ass too. Yeah, I was like, I'm gonna be me. I was like, so what am I gonna talk about? But I thought just like, you

1:21 know, thinking back how I got into, I'll say oil and gas. I always say I'm on the periphery, just 'cause I'm in accounting, you know, I'm not out in the field, I'm not a geologist or a

1:31 reservoir engineer, obviously.

1:35 Debites have to, Debites have to be old credits, though. Or should it go bad if that does. It does revenue accounting, production accounting. Very, very important. Let's do this real quick.

1:45 All right, I'm gonna go run to the bathroom 'cause I haven't done that yet. And then we'll come back. Okay.

2:13 So, do you know what the greatest thing Joe Rogan did? There's only one. Well, that's true. He probably got multiple, but in all seriousness, he can talk all about how he was integral in the

2:27 UFC in terms of making it. You can talk about he, in effect, created the podcast genre, if you will, all that. No, the greatest single thing he did is he legitimized going to the bathroom in

2:41 the middle of a podcast, because he'll just be like, hey, I gotta go to the bathroom. Let's go do this. We'll come right back. Pause. Thank goodness. It's fine. While you were doing that, I

2:49 realized it probably looks like I'm drinking a tall boy on camera at like noon. So I feel like I should just disclaim. See yourself there. So put the, put the, the show the liquid death into the

3:03 camera just so we have proof. No, like pick it up. Oh, like that put it in front of your face, spin it so people can read the label. There you go.

3:14 Liquid death Yeah it's kind of intense though murder your thirst like it's like aggressive like any time any time I sit there and you know feel down or whatever I do smile that somebody said hey man

3:30 let's put water in a can yeah and we'll go sell it right as can be Great Yeah and how's it going to be a smidge marketing exotic pet rocks and hey we're Gonna have a pet rock alright so you're an

3:42 Aggie I'm an Aggie Yes I Am and later grow where'd you grow up cause I'm from Houston Okay why don't you go to memorial okay that Mustangs there you go I Yeah so not an heiress to an oil fortune

3:58 though Unfortunately I have not found how I'm related to the eights as Mexico I have not found it I've tried it's not there Yeah so Yes I know famous oil men Warrens and my family that I know of

4:13 Kelsey's not dead. No, I know, I need to find that link for sure. Yeah, so when I AM thought I wanted to do architecture, 'cause I worked in my stepdad's engineering firms like during the

4:27 summers and stuff. And I was like, well, yeah, engineering's like fine and cool and stuff, but I wanna design like buildings. You know, like I wanna design like awesome skyscrapers. It's like,

4:36 well, before you do that, you have to go to, you know, all the architecture weed out classes It's like history of architecture, 345 or something. And as a freshman, I was like, no. Like this

4:49 isn't working out very well. And so then I was like, all right, well, I probably need to get over the business school. And you know, my mom and my grandmother, like you should do marketing,

4:57 you're so creative, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, all right, that's fine, but it's 2008. Like there was this little crisis going on. And I was like, I think I need something more stable

5:08 than marketing. Like I, looking back, I don't really know how I, knew some of the things that I feel like I knew at the time, but I was like, I need like a more stable job. Okay, accounting.

5:19 Like that sounds like really stable. It's a discipline. People are like a real life discipline. Yeah. And so like, I was good enough at my accounting classes, and then there's like a five year

5:29 program at AM where you can combine, you know, your undergrad and your masters, and you can go do like a paid internship with these like, you know, big accounting firms that come to campus and

5:38 recruit you and hire you and all that. I was like, okay, well that sounds like a really good gig Like paid internship. You have a job like a year before you graduate. Like sign me up for that.

5:50 Name you know. Yeah, like all that good stuff. And so started at a big accounting firm, but at the time, so this was like 2011, at the time I was like, I don't want to be an oil and gas. Like

6:02 everyone's an oil and gas. That's terrible. Like I want to be different. I want to be in fashion. Like I want to audit Nordstrom. Like that was like the goal at the time Okay, I. It's so rare

6:15 that I can actually work this into the conversation, but you brought it up. So I was in Cabo and I forget what the fancy places where they got all of them. I've never been to Cabo. Oh, Cabo's

6:30 nice. So anyway, I'm there and it's the Dallas Space Real Estate Company that goes in, puts in a development and they have the real fancy houses there on the beach So I was having dinner at Linda

6:42 Nordstrom's house. No way. The matriarch of the Nordstrom family. Nice. And - It's probably a nice house. It was a very nice house. And things we need to know are number one, whoever her

6:55 plastic surgeon is, I need to know that. I always take that name. Yeah, we all want her plastic surgeon. She looked gorgeous and I think she was 75. We could probably look this up. I don't know,

7:06 I was gonna say one. She was maybe 75 or 80 So she looked gorgeous and I seriously sat there. there and contemplated, I could be her kept man. There you go. I'm your boy toy. Yeah. I mean, you

7:18 know. It's not a bad gig if you can get it. She was delightful, she was so much fun. Right. Yeah. She probably would not mind if you had a podcast. Exactly. Oh, my cute little podcast. Yeah.

7:29 You guys would be great. Oh yeah, so big huge Nordstrom fan for that reason. But anyway, keep going. They are great. So yeah, so like, I thought I wanted to audit Nordstrom and be in like

7:40 retail 'Cause that was gonna be my end to the fashion world, like whatever. But instead I end up on this little client called Mid-States Petroleum. And I was, and they were going through an IPO.

7:53 And I was like, one, who are these people? I've never heard of this company. Like I'd done my internship on, you know, big flagship clients that people had heard of, right? And so that was

8:05 annoying. And then two, it wasn't retail or fashion And then three, it was October. And we were working like 80 hour weeks. And I was like, I'm sorry. I thought this wasn't starting until like

8:18 January, like when busy season for audits normally gets going. And so watching the World Series, you know, at a desk in a room like behind a kitchen with no windows was super fun. And so

8:33 complained enough, probably is the best way to describe it, went to a retail client of the firm that I was at within two weeks. I was like, oh my gosh, get me back to oil and gas is quite as

8:43 possible. Like the accounting made no sense. And like oil and gas accounting is hard. Like it's nuanced, it's very strange. It's its own section of the codication for

8:54 a reason. Yeah. But retail, like they're talking about like vendor cutbacks and all this stuff. I'm like, this sounds like fraud. Like this is not accounting. Like I don't know what this is.

9:02 It's like, please give me back to oil and gas. So thankfully we went back to mid-states and they were a great client for five years.

9:11 they had just gone public. So it was dealing with like, you know, all that stuff. At least you got your shot with what you wanted to do. 'Cause when I was coming out of business school, you know,

9:23 I went and interviewed with all the investment banks and the conversation always went like this. So you want to be a banker. And I had enough decent bullshit that I could kind of pass that to us. I

9:34 go, okay, you got good grades. You can talk the bullshit Okay, great, we'll let you be a banker. Well, you obviously want to be in the energy group because you're from Texas. And I'll always

9:44 say, no, I want to do VC. I want to be in the

9:49 Silicon Valley area, et cetera. And they always say, nah, nah, nah. You want to be in energy. You need people that talk like you. And to some degree, it's true, right? 'Cause you got to

10:04 have a champion to get a degree to get a job in an investment bank I'm sure accounting's the same way. your champions were the people in Houston that you're talking to and stuff so at least you got

10:15 your shot I never got my shot until now I guess now I'm in A I software sales Guy de Gallo or it's never never too late to pivot to shot back in energy and I got back into energy and then pretty much

10:28 just wears this is this

10:32 ok Gotcha and so and they were a great client right because they they I PL they did big acquisitions they busted their socks exemptions and then they had to be you know controls compliant like a year

10:48 after they went public and then just you know they started with all their assets unlike Legacy Louisiana like Really Deep vertical conventional staff and then the companies they acquired were up in

11:01 Tulsa so they're up in like you know the mid con scoop stack and then they bought some that was like in the Anadarko Basin so they got into like horizontal stuff that was like Way cheaper sold off the

11:11 legacy Louisiana stuff. And I was able to be with them like through that whole ride, like on the audit side, which was, which was really cool. Like you learn so much more on those, you know,

11:22 little quote unquote clients compared to like, you know, giant multinationals where you're auditing like cash or whatever, like I got to audit pretty much everything across the entire, you know,

11:33 financial statements, including reserves, which was like the best So I did, between first and second year of business school, I did a summer with and, you

11:45 know, I saw as an auditor and I figured out it was a really bad one. Take me all day to audit cash and I needed to have a hug. Just matching. Just matching. Yeah, I'm not very good. Massive ADD

11:56 would take over, but, so when you're, young and at that point, do you just have one client or do you have multiple clients? It depends, yeah. When you're like a younger staff, and granted this

12:08 was over a decade ago, I won't say exactly how many years, but you can do the math from my LinkedIn too. But yeah, like when you're a younger staff, like normally you're just on one client at one

12:19 time, especially during busy season, 'cause I mean, you are working, you know, pretty long hours. And so for me, like I was solely on mid-states, 'cause we were also like a smaller audit team

12:31 compared to like really big audit clients at the time that had bigger audit teams. And so, you know, it was like, I was a third or fourth year or something that really didn't have much on the team

12:46 between like me and the partner or me and like a senior manager or something, which works out well, 'cause then you just kind of have to play up or just sync and, you know, sync or swim type

12:55 mentality So for me, I liked it 'cause I. got to learn so much more. Like it kind of expedited all of that. I feel like in a good way and just let me see like, you know, a lot more stuff. And I

13:08 had a lot of visibility with like, you know, the management team on the client side, which was good, like Greg Little, right? One of the he was on your podcast. Bonky. Yeah, I reached out to

13:19 him actually after I listened to him on your podcast. And I was like, hey, I was like, I'm going on this podcast too. And he was like, yeah, Chuck's a trip. And I was like, yeah, I'm sure

13:28 And he invited me to their Nate Papi hour next week. So I was like, all right, cool. I'll see you next Thursday. Yeah, no, it was weird. Somebody tweeted out, and I forget who it was the

13:36 other day that my wife was at the spa and met somebody that's coming up. Oh yeah, that's what you were saying yesterday. Okay, tell me that story. I meant to ask you about that. 'Cause I only

13:45 caught like half of it as I was leaving last night. So somebody tweeted out, my wife was at the spa and met a lady and was talking to her and she's going on Chuck's podcast next week. Why did they

13:56 put that on Twitter? anything on Twitter, everything's on Twitter. But like when you said that, I was like - It feels like half the world just livestreams Twitter. You know? Do we call it X

14:07 though, like - It's still Twitter, sorry, Elon. Yeah, like how, I feel like that's confusing. Well, and we still don't have a good solution. So I get we can start calling it X instead of

14:18 Twitter. I still don't know, like what did you send? A spot. A tweet is a - A spot. No, a spot. That's why it's called a spot. You sent a spot? Yeah, like X marks a spot. I didn't even hurt.

14:29 I was two days years old when I heard that. I just made it up. Did you nice? I mean, I was having this conversation with a friend like a week ago. We need to clip this. Hey, Jake, you need to

14:38 clip this video and tweet it out to see if the one will like it. That could be our viral moment for this podcast. It could be. Yeah. We've put everyone to sleep with our, you know, with our

14:48 boring - Guess I, guess I, guess I've done here. With our boring existence, but damn it, we nicknamed it spot. I'd have gotten something. I like that. I feel like it. You're spotted. We

14:55 spotted, that's kind of creepy.

14:59 We can work on that a little bit. How do you, we send a spot or we spot it or spot me?

15:07 'Cause do you say tweet me? I send a tweet, that's what I say. I send a tweet, so I send a spot. Yeah. I send a spot, okay. Yeah. There we go. I like it. There you go along, re-tweet this.

15:18 Yeah. You know, so this is the challenge for you. So, Bunky Parkins actually got three-year Letterman to re-tweet his podcast when he came on. So, now if you can one up Greg and have Ilon

15:34 retweet it, because you've come up with the spot. Yeah. There we go. Okay, that would be legit. Nice. Quit now while I'm ahead. Perfect. All right.

15:46 Sorry, I forget where we go. Oh, no, you were talking about the Houstonian thing. Yeah, so who was that? I don't know, I didn't catch her name, but I was like - And like, why wouldn't you

15:54 meet someone? How does it come up of? Because I'm like - I'm going on a podcast. Because I'm that really weird annoying person that just loves oil and gas so much. So like the first time I meet

16:05 someone, I'm like, Oh, have you seen Landman? Really? 'Cause I just like to know the people I'm dealing with. Like if they say no, I'm like, all right, I'm like, why not? Fair enough, fair

16:17 enough. But then it's also Houston, right? And so, you know, it's like four women in a sauna. It's like, Oh, like, what do you do? I'm like, Oh, I'm this. But, Oh, my husband's an oil

16:26 and gas, or something, right? So, then it just kind of was like, the conversation just kind of evolved from there, and I was like, Yeah, there's a podcast. This is like blowing men's minds

16:37 right now, because we have no clue what y'all do when y'all go to the bathroom together, from the spa together. Yeah, y'all don't need to know. It's okay. Yeah, we don't know. It's kind of

16:46 better that we don't. Yeah. I think so. Because I think that's actually what happened. Weren't you ranting about land man on LinkedIn,

16:54 and I painted it out of paint? And I was like gone. Come on the podcast and talk about that. Yeah, no, I was definitely praising the show. From, I think I had to go back and double check it,

17:05 but I think it was like episode three, where Billy Bob Thornton's going through his whole thing to Rebecca, who I also do not like for the record, agree. She is a sucky character. They could have

17:17 done better with her. I've never met an attorney like her in this industry, male or female And so,

17:28 hopefully that's gonna come up on the whole thing. Oh, it's not an emergency. Yeah, no

17:33 it's not, but yeah, not a great character. And so Billy Bob Thornton's out there, underneath that big old wind turbine, where she's all up high and mighty on her. High horse as she tends to be,

17:46 and he's just going through the list of everything, quote unquote, that, that petroleum products, you know, end up in, you know, in whatever refined state that they're in, tennis rackets,

17:57 lipstick, antihistamines, refrigerators, artificial heart valves, you know, ends on like fricking everything, trying to limit my expletives for my grandma. And

18:08 so, you know, I just, I reposted that scene 'cause I think, I don't know who posted it or who I reposted from, like maybe like API or something like that, but I reposted it 'cause I just think

18:19 that that message is really lacking broadly. And I mean, I know y'all have talked about it on this podcast a ton of times. I mean, the industry just has not marketed itself or done a very good job

18:36 at all of informing the general public about, you know, everything that petroleum goes into. And I'm focusing on petroleum mostly 'cause I feel like there's a lot of discussion around electricity.

18:52 and like, you know, where electricity comes from in different forms of energy. But I think there's a lot less discussion and a lot that needs to happen in terms of, you know, informing people,

19:02 like, hey, your life would not exist without these products, right? And like, yes, you've got energy transfer commercials that I think are great and that. I mean, I think

19:14 in my history in the energy business, there've only been two really effective ads Yeah. And actually the energy transfer commercial was done 20 some odd years ago by the API. Right. You know, the

19:27 same thing though. But boom, I think that landed of, hey, you got this, hey, you got that. The other one was natural gas partners ad that says we've created more millionaires in the energy

19:40 business than anyone else. And it listed all their companies that had sold. Nice. I think that resonated too, but you're right. I mean, we're horror about marketing Yeah, I mean, it's so

19:50 simple, but I mean, I think. I think there needs to be so much more of it and at like you have to have it at different levels right cause you've got like you know the Alex Epstein's of the World

20:02 and Scott Tinker and those guys that are doing it at what I consider to be like a very high like intellectual level with a ton of data and science and they're focused on like policy making and

20:15 everything else and like you know from my experience it's like it's maybe not the right word to use but like housewives or just like a lot of women in general like my friends you know like they have

20:26 no idea where this stuff comes from or how dangerous it is to you know even produce it and forget it out of the ground I said my best friend came over one night and I was like not feeling great or

20:39 something she's like what do you want to do and I was like I Wanna Watch make you Watch Landman it was like okay and we watched the first episode and she was like can we watch another one Yeah it was

20:50 like We Can So, 'cause I mean, it's got like, you know, it's got good eye candy, like Jon Hamm's in it, like Billy Bob Thornton, not terrible. I mean - It's got all the good eye candy for the

21:01 men, obviously. I know Demi Moore is not really living up to your full expectations, but maybe in season two. Yeah, I've been, I've gotten in trouble for discussing Demi Moore with a

21:15 certain individual. I

21:18 mean, she does come up a lot. With a certain individual. So I'm sitting here saying no comment I'm kind of deer, I will look into the camera, deer in headlights, I'm not gonna move. I'm not

21:25 gonna say anything. I'm trying not trying to get you in trouble. Yeah, certainly wouldn't mention the a Also. Tees Strip, movie

21:32 solid film. Well, I mean, back with, if you're a 56-year-old degenerate alcoholic, like I am, that was like a big day. Oh yeah.

21:44 For sure. I mean, that was front and center of the zeitgeist in what, '96 or whatever that came out. I've seen it. Yeah, that was a big deal. Yeah.

21:51 and she still looks great though I mean like did you see the substance though her new movie I have not yet it's Weird I've heard it's good though it's good until like the last like five minutes

22:05 by now I'm just Okay just like to warn people because like for me the ending like it kind of turned me off of the whole movie I was like like the Message I think is like a really really good message

22:18 and what I tell people to is like watch her acceptance speech for her Golden Globe first and then watch the movie because like the whole message of the movie I think just like really like parallels

22:31 while with like what she's talking about speech was really good Yeah I saw that and and I mean she's an actress right so that was written Yeah and she rehearsed it and all that but she crushed it yeah

22:45 you think her set I dunno I mean it at some point you get good enough where you just do that stuff off the top of your head Yeah you know the Great Lakes Yeah I Dunno Cause I'm China I Mean i don't

22:57 even remember who else was like up with her but I mean I'm wondering like how much she was even like expecting to win you know like some years it's like more like oh this one's like more of a shoo -in

23:07 than than others so I Dunno Yeah I'd be What I'd be Curious if she had whoa you know what they say about about Taylor Swift is to are literally leading up to an award show is sitting there rehearsing

23:22 an hour a day really what her reaction will be when she gets it perfect then she rehearses it and she has a perfect if I win a Parka if I lose that sounds exhausting to actually I actually told this

23:36 story this morning and I stole this from somebody I pass it off as my own that's fine and so I went when I was in college and saw van Halen in Houston and it was just Great Jano David lay this the the

23:51 Nineteen eighties tour in all its glory and peak David Lee Roth jump. And I saw, and I guess I'm in high school at this point 'cause I'm a freshman in high school. Anyway, we see that show, it

24:03 was great. So we all rally up the next day and say, Man, they're playing San Antonio tomorrow night. Let's go see Antonio. So we all drove over, saw the show again. It was great. We're like,

24:14 Man, they're playing Dallas tomorrow night. Let's do it. So we drive to Dallas and we see 'em three nights in a row. And it was an amazing show And we go on and on about how great it was. And

24:25 then upon further reflection, you know what was interesting? Literally the same exact show. Eddie Van Halen fake dropped his guitar at the same point inPanimal. David Lee Roth had the same exact

24:38 banter with the blonde fan on the front row during the same song. Was it the same blonde? I don't know that it was the same blonde, but it could have been. Maybe they planted an actress there to

24:50 do it. but like literally everything was scripted where Michael Anthony you know did his thing it was the same exact thing each show and so and so so I always say if you're talking about a sales call

25:03 or talking about anything it's a script and you curse it and you work on the script so that it works and when you figure out what works you do it over and over Guinea Practice I think I think a lot of

25:15 the you can kind of tell when people go on Jimmy Kimmel or whoever you know they got their fair share I got the award speech Yeah I didn't think I was going to win but I versus ten thousand bucks so I

25:27 Dunno if Demi was doing that or if she fired that off off the top of her head like it was really like from our higher you know and that's the key to making it good and I guess that's Yeah that's

25:38 actually

25:40 really well yeah every so the ice is gay but it does get a little weird in the end just disappointing I am that I am Duly warned the The one thing I will say about Rebecca, or yeah, it's Rebecca,

25:53 right? Yeah. I get kind of John Hamm wanting to have this bulldog, yapping dog out in front, but he could overrule her at any time. 'Cause I think a lot in life, like the example I always give

26:12 is Alexander Hamilton and writing the Constitution Hamilton used to go in and pitch all these crazy ideas and Madison would come in and say, Well, why don't we compromise and do this? And that's

26:26 where Madison wanted to be anyway, right? So I mean, it's not like, but you just had Hamilton throwing such a fit and all. So I kind of get Hamm, I'm gonna have this crazy lawyer out there

26:38 throwing a fit about things so that me Monty or Billy Bob Thornton come in and be the reasonable one and kind of get what I want to get. Yeah I'm actually I'm actually OK with her character bore

26:54 hates her as you farm can't stand Her I Mean i just think overall Ache you know when you look at them the female characters of the show like Nina that are like dominant right you've got Allardyce

27:09 character you got Ainsley the daughter who in real life is twenty six I think that's very important for all of these yeah creepy as all get out that they made her seventeen and in high school that

27:22 Disturbs Taylor Yeah but it's like you know Ali lawyers character Superhot Pretty Crazy Ainslie very pretty girl not the sharpest tool in the shed maybe will say very aloof of lit like lives in her

27:42 little bubble and but like Super Cute and then It's literally like a 180 to go to Rebecca's character, right? Just like, I mean, just heartless and ruthless. And like what I was saying earlier,

27:57 like I've never met any attorney that is like that. And in a industry like this that is so relationship-based, like there's just no way that you could actually be the way that she is over a

28:11 long-term and not have just, even if you have like a Monty or a Billy Bob, like coming back to like clean it up on the back end, I don't think you could actually survive that long with pissing off

28:22 that many people as quickly as she tends to do. Like I wish they had had just maybe like a little bit more of like an even keel and maybe that's where Demi Moore comes in in like season two, right?

28:33 And like hopefully has like more of a presence in the show because yeah, I do think they killed off John Hamm, which is like a bummer. Like that was not - Yeah, it's kind of a tailor shirt and

28:44 thing Acting that, like. Acting that, like. Yeah, I was definitely not expecting that. But I do think the show overall, obviously I'll debriefed it at length, which I also thought was

28:57 fantastic. That was real fun. So good job on those. Well, hold on, real quick, before we leave, we leave, you hear the criticism time and time again of these women characters are horrible.

29:09 It's like such a bad - I don't think they're horrible, I just think they're so - It's a bad portrayal of women - They're such specific representations, right? Well, and you know what my counter

29:18 back though is, it's not like the men are any better. I mean, Tommy's a degenerate alcoholic who's half a million dollars in debt. Cooper's a wimp. I mean, he's just - Yeah, I don't really like

29:29 Cooper either. I don't get - Like I agree with the - Yeah, you know, so it's not like the men are any better. I just don't see how - It feels like he's equal opportunity offending. Yeah, I mean,

29:40 I think, to your point, maybe, they kind of had to show like the extremes. Like you have to do that in TV to like, yeah, otherwise it would not be as popular a show as it is, but I do wish that

29:54 they, I don't know, like I struggle with Rebecca's just, especially like her high and mighty view of, you know, any alternative form of energy over oil and gas. I'm like, World high ground's

30:09 pretty windy. Yeah, it's pretty cold at night up there on the moral high ground or whatever he says. Yeah, I mean, I just don't know how long that person would last in this industry with that

30:20 view because, I mean, it's just such a narrow-minded, uninformed view of the world. And I just don't know if that works. But again, it's TV and - Heck yeah. Taylor's not taking notes from us.

30:31 Exactly, won't return my phone calls. Has Paramount not reached out yet? Paramount has not reached out yet. Yeah, exactly. But maybe now they will. Maybe now they will Paramount 10 more times,

30:42 maybe it'll. it's just so so something I saw on your Linkedin goes in I was like hey come on come and talk

30:52 by the way nobody ever says Yes to that so Kudos to you for actually I'm like Holy Shit Somebody's address Ah you jumped from to to do now is what I was at Blackstone minerals for a year in between in

31:11 -between Yeah so it was what was at twenty Seventeen Think Yeah Cause I was there for six years and and at the time so you know had just come off of a very bad commodity price downturn right time and

31:28 so I was like okay well the last thing I want to do is go to an M P and be like last in first out the door sure kind of thing and so I talked to a buddy and he was like well one thing about maybe like

31:39 the minerals space like there were a couple of public companies right Klaxon was here in Houston obviously and it kind of just worked out that they had gone public a couple of years before that and

31:50 needed like an SCC reporting manager roles that's what I landed into and so so a moon walk that happens a lot the accountant goes to work for the client in effect right so so they they were never my

32:05 client and they weren't a delight on a letter Yeah jump Yeah I went straight into industry versus going to like you know moving out of audit and going to consulting or or something like that cause I

32:17 just was like okay if I'm making a move I might as well make a move and this forty plus per cent pay increase doesn't hurt either so I was like Oh now I'm like so rich and I'm not like mill almost

32:28 thirty at the time but it was really unfortunate because like August twenty fifth of two thousand and seventeen was My Last Day and the only Reason I remember that is because Hurricane harvey came

32:42 into Houston at the weekend so I was supposed to fly out to Puerto Vallarta for like a vacation cause I took a week off between jobs which like my first vacation in like six years like a real musician

32:57 versus like you know three day weekend or something like that and so that didn't happen and instead I was you know helping friends that had you know gotten their houses flooded and doing laundry and

33:09 taking suits to dry cleaners that would you know except wet clothes not all dry cleaners do which I thought was really random and so Yeah so that's what I did you know for like a week between between

33:21 jobs and then Jan started at Blackstone you know the the craziest thing about harvey was for Me is and so if you if you cruise into Richmond tuxes and you're in effect on Highway Ninety which is main

33:40 street in Houston I mean you just take Main Street out of Houston, it turns into highway 90 'cause that's the old Houston to San Antonio Road was highway 90 and it runs in effect through call it

33:52 downtown Richmond. So you do that, you turn onto my street, it's wild 'cause you'd never notice this except I tell it. So you turn onto my street, my street literally elevates about seven feet.

34:04 Oh, wow. And you don't notice that until you told that. And you're like, Oh, you're right, we are going up. And then when you're sitting there on my street and you look at my house, my house

34:13 elevates another seven feet or so. Oh, wow. And what's crazy about that is Judge Pearson built my house in 1897 and he hated how the wagons would leave these big things in mud. You know, these

34:29 big wagon wheel tracks, right? So he elevated my street and he elevated the mound he built the house on so that there would never so literally during Harvey and I hate to say this because there was

34:45 so much death and destruction and it easiest thing I've seen Yeah it was the ice Storm I think that ended up being like crazy or Cold I was like and so as bad as I was I mean literally the worst had

34:58 happened to me as my DIRECTV went off for an hour I didn't even have standing water in front of my house now I was I was living in an apartment in river oaks at the time and like there wasn't even

35:09 water in the street but then you drove like you know two blocks over like went over like you know woodway memorial six ten area and it was just you know just complete insanity so Yeah we had the so so

35:23 I mean Richmond Texas as the Quintessential small Texas Town you have the good side of the tracks and the bad tracks so literally the good side of the tracks the day after Harvey you walk around I

35:36 mean there's no standing water the bad side of the tracks look like Lake Michigan

35:43 Yeah. I mean, it was just horrible. I've got video of, I'll say if I can pull the video up of my kids, 'cause we went and stood on the railroad tracks and took the video, I mean, it literally

35:52 looks like a lake. Yeah, it was crazy, like the whole city was just - So there's no juicy gossip. I thought we were gonna get a great story about how stole you away from their rival No, and I'm

36:05 actually not supposed to say that I'm an employee of They told me I could come on the podcast, but I was supposed to identify myself as an industry consultant. An industry consultant. So, I'm an

36:17 industry consultant. You can go look on my LinkedIn if you wanna know where I've worked and where I'm currently employed. Those are the rules that I was given, so. All right, we won't say that

36:27 then. I was like, I think it's fine, but anyways, yeah. I told them I would follow their rules, so yeah. Fair enough, fair enough. But, I don't have to. Exactly.

36:41 Yeah I mean Maybe I can kind of do a Trump we've We've Away I'll do that and maybe like just circling back to to How I got into the industry and like the whole you know the whole ride from from there

36:56 to here and you know I like I said I was on mid states went through their I P O 'S CEO MS sites Daniels Steve Daniel Yeah it was Steve McDaniel Way back in the Day then seemed like he was the CEO and

37:12 then his wife Kristin was the CF OH Okay that doesn't work for a public company so then John Krumm came in as the CEO I Don't Think I knew him and then they brought in Tom Mitchell in the CFL Role

37:25 Hooker from and then there was they had a decent amount of executive turnover where did mid states wind up going who eventually bottom amplify and buffon who was amplified before they were amplified

37:41 that I don't know can't remember any of these names Yeah but it was funny because they obviously they were in Houston then they ended up moving to Tulsa like kind of like halfway through my Tenure

37:55 Nicole M and so I was commuting from Houston to Tulsa every week pretty much for like two or three years yeah they actually have an apartment for you in Tulsa as opposed to a hotel I stayed at the

38:10 Hyatt Oh no Yeah suburb racked up some point some point job which is unfortunate cause I Wanna Marry out person so I could have I Could've been racking that up at the courtyard but stayed at the Hyatt

38:24 Super Fun and the Daily Grill Bar there is very entertaining I'm sure it still is but Yeah I mean Tulsa nice town like small town easy to get into airports you know seven minutes outside of downtown

38:39 music scene For sure, so. Although that is the home of Hanson. That's true,

38:48 I am not a Hanson fan. I am not a Hanson fan either, but when I first got Apple Music, when it kind of first came out, for some weird reason, I played M-Bop by Hanson and I go, and that was kind

39:02 of one of those real moments of going seriously, the entire recorded history of all the great artists is available at my fingertips And I'm saying it, M-Bop, M-Bop, yeah. I mean, they were a hit

39:14 for a little bit. They had their moment, so good for them. I'd rather have my 15 minutes or not. Exactly, yeah. So, but I mean, yeah, Tulsa, Tulsa Travel, all that was good. And then, but

39:31 really just kind of got to the point where I was like, okay, I don't want to be an audit partner. Like it's, you know, a lot of work for, More Pay Yes but I was like HMM probably not so much for

39:43 me but I mean it was that client and like that whole experience and just working with you know having so much exposure to everyone within the company where you know I kind of just like became in love

39:59 with the industry and obsessed with it and now I never want to leave it so which is a bit challenging when people are like it's a dying industry it's like you know it's going away we don't need this

40:09 stuff and I mean that's why I posted what I did on Linkedin cause like I mean I'M just an accountant but when I do take it kind of personally like and I mean I dunno how like I think even people in

40:20 the industry like to me it would just like weigh me down a little bit Till I get up to go to work every day you're like well here I go again like producing everything that everyone in the world needs

40:30 to live comfortably and and better Yeah I'm lying You Wanna start right you want to start greatest inventions of all time man I'll give you the Wheel I'll give you Fire Yeah but I'm on a nave and give

40:45 you Penicillin I'm Allergic to Penicillin or Euro that random and it's kind of random there are you able to take other antibiotics or as Oka I Mean I Dunno it's like I Think I was Allergic when I was

40:59 younger and so it's like you know you you know that growing up and so is every forum you just go Penicillin like I dunno so figure it out then Yeah knock on Wood I haven't figured out anything I'm

41:11 allergic to although the last three years and I'm blaming it on getting vaccinated for coded allergies have been horror Hourly a little I had to go have the nasal surgery that wow that is Yeah that is

41:26 tense people always talk about how crazy it is and the way I'll describe it is you know you Gotta have your surgery and the ineffective pack your nose full of cotton, right? 'Cause they're trying to

41:39 get it to heal and it's notoriously bad spot for healing. So they pack it and all that. And people talk about, oh, that hurts and stuff. It doesn't really hurt, but the pressure is such that you

41:51 literally can't do anything. So you can't sleep. It's like a little kid just tapping your knee. It doesn't hurt, but you know it's there and you can't sleep. Yeah, it's just like a constant.

41:59 That's terrible. But so where were we? Did the surgery help? I can breathe better. That's good. Yeah, it's definitely, definitely helped some, but you don't wanna have an ENT on speed dial.

42:16 Right. Yeah. You know, so. Not really a way to live your life. All right, so what were we talking about? We somehow, oh, talk about inventions. Yeah. Right, I mean, I think one of the

42:26 worst things set out there that like really gets my dander up is when half the industry got - fire, the mantra was go learn to code. Yeah. I mean, fuck you, go learn to deal without air

42:42 conditioning. Yeah. Don't get in your car and drive. Right. You know? Yeah. No, I, I think it's, I mean, going back to just the lack of messaging from within the industry, right? I mean,

42:56 it's the, the things that get picked up in the headlines are only going to be the negative things. And like, that's what gets promulgated so much out there. But on the flip side of that, like the

43:10 industry just doesn't do or say anything about, you know, the bajillion things good that come from, you know, what comes out of the holes in the ground that everybody's doing every day. And when

43:22 we do it, we do it with facts, figures and reason and we're bitter as hell. Yeah. It's just not sexy or cute. Yeah. Like You know we need to go tell a story like thing

43:32 Like we had a panel here the other day

43:37 on nuclear energy and there were experts on them some reason they had me join it and we were talking about about nuclear energy and they said how do we make it more socially acceptable and I was like

43:54 have it have an affair with Taylor Swift and maybe even a baby a little knew or saw or something and actually a blanket and a blanket on who said this but one of the people in the panel said you know

44:07 we do need a protagonist Yeah you know we need celebrity endorser Lane clean and and somebody had a good idea there's a there's a cause of the the greatest argument for new colors fact we've got all

44:20 these submarines run around under the ocean getting beat up every day never had an incident so we've never poisoned anyone it's not that we want the world running around with that weapons grade

44:33 nuclear available but at the end of the day we operated at work surely well no one's ever had a problem so maybe getting like one of the old submarine commanders to kind of be our protagonists may be

44:46 tailor can enter de SAc character on the land man Navy's like and We'll have a little cuz let's be honest in the energy business we we spent half our time describing any time I hate it ain't so right

44:58 now it's like come on Guys were any of it like I do think that there's a very valid purpose for all of it and a lot of it gets back to having you know multiple sources of electricity but my thing is

45:15 like I don't know how anything that comes out of like a wind turbine or a solar panel gets into my lip gloss like that or you know anything else that I put honor in my face those things are important

45:29 there yeah The Yeah Yeah no so we definitely could do a better job yet you just have to go tell a story that's entertaining and and connects on an emotional level it's not that hard Yeah and I dunno

45:42 if that's like you know if that's like an a poi problem to solve or like well I mean the will the industry to one degree if you think about it you produce a barrel of oil you sell it into the market

45:56 this is not adidas saying hey these shoes are better than nike so there's no culture of marketing telling a story connecting with the consumer actually kind of because the other thing we don't do a

46:09 good job of is saying like a barrel of oil produced here is way cleaner safer more responsibly produced than a barrel of oil anywhere else okay so you Tagged you tagged what spot you tag spot today so

46:27 we're going to put your prowess what can we name like is the barrel and let's create a little character bury the Barrel OH Wait no I've thought about this Okay I am

46:38 doing it because I had I took nine weeks off from work recently know as I had and I had like time built up like that I'd gotten from my from that shan't be named Ann and then we threw it in with like

46:51 the other like holidays around like thanksgiving and and the winter holidays and stuff and plus like a couple weeks of PT OH it turned into like nine weeks and I was like I should write a children's

46:60 book that's like Dora explorer but for like oil and gas and I had like come up with these characters and now I can't think of what I came up with for like the actual like Barrel of Oil Yeah no I think

47:13 making a cute little American barrel and maybe like maybe like it fights the Russian Burrow and we can make like you know we could be there we Go I like that or maybe if it's like a children's book

47:25 Maybe they're like friends with Russia in a way not like politically controversial. Trump's president again, we're back. We can do this, we can have the bad guys. Yeah, Russia can be the bully.

47:37 Russia's the bully, Saudi Arabia's the bully. Yeah, and they're like picking on our poor little American barrel of oil. And our poor little American boy barrel, are we gonna go like Superman and

47:49 it has a fake identity? I think more like Power Rangers. Power Rangers, okay. So I think like, you know, 'cause you have like the barrel of oil, but then I think it'd be really cool if you had

47:59 like other little characters that like little kids could relate to because like that's the other thing too, is like kids these days, like there will still be petroleum that needs to be produced in

48:10 20, 30 years and like those kids need to like not all just hate this industry, right? And think that it's big and bad and terrible. So I think you need like a little like geologist character and a

48:20 little like engineer character or like - 100, 200 hours. Yeah. Oh, I love this, this would be great. Before you leave here a JP warren wrote a book called forever if you don't have a copy of it

48:32 we've got copies around here I'll give you one of the Yeah but Yeah go back and write the cartoon yarn of a can can the bear can like the lead character the American Barrel or can it be Nimble Fatty I

48:45 Mean i Don't I don't Hate it you know like it's and maybe maybe the undercover thing for the superheroes he's a podcaster out of work Podcaster I think we can we can we can tweak at Yeah Ok we can

49:01 tweak it alright I think we have to do this now do what last Night

49:08 I think we have to tell him that you beat Me Money Yes You Want to tell your Virgin First or You made it to my version of the story is that I was on a comeback hold on Houston producers Finance

49:22 Houston producers Forum Forum annual charity Poker tournament at the petroleum club of Houston, hashtag.

49:31 It was very crowded. It felt like there were a lot. I think there were a hundred and seventy-five. It felt like more people this year than last year. That's a number I heard. So I don't know if

49:38 that's true or not. Yeah. So no, it was a good time. Like I made it through the break. So I was feeling, you know, good about that. There were probably, you said 175. There were probably

49:51 like 30, 40 people still left at that point So like it went through your four tables. Yeah, it did whittle down like a good amount.

50:00 And so I'm like sitting there, just minding my own business with my little stack that was getting bigger. So I was gonna come back and then you walk over and decide to sit next to me. 'Cause as

50:15 they're whittling the tables down, they go, sorry. They rearrange. And yeah, they're like you from this table, go fill in at this table. You go sit here, yeah Yeah, and I was already having

50:24 to defend myself against, Frickin Lore Praying Oh he's a pro like everyone else in the family's Great Yeah you don't want to sit next to them Yeah and then but then also like drew Walmart's at our

50:36 table and just goes all in with like you know officer for six sometimes cause he doesn't care right which is annoying in and of itself and so at least Thankfully I was like you know to the left of

50:47 those Guys do which was helpful at times but Yeah and then you came and sat next to Me and I'd already given Lara some of my money before the break but was Gonna come back Cause I Think I want a pot

51:02 where I'd ended up on a straight on the turn that was decent and and then I had pocket Aces that worked out OK right so I was like I felt like I was going to start getting better cards after the break

51:15 and then you came and sat down next to me and I hide what did I have I was I mean I was like definitely a shortstack so I had to go all in I was only had pocket nines Perfect alcohol last Night I had

51:28 enough so that that I was able to just sit there and fold enough but at the same time I didn't have too much where I did stupid Stuff Yeah let's get get get placed Yeah I Can't remember what the hand

51:40 was but there I think I had like A I think I had kings something like King Jack I Dunno but like the card was high enough and my sack was small enough that I was like and I think I was like a blind to

51:54 honestly wouldn't have like I was free playing a lot just holding everything and so Yeah and then you bested me out and then I was like well I guess I'll still come on this podcast

52:10 available but I waited till the end I mean cause I'm probably like one of very few people in that whole room that is not currently going to watch so the other funny thing right it's like you win that

52:21 tournament you get it injury to Opt and then you know it's like half the rooms already going by this point in the year so Yeah that's true but I would have really liked it if I won the Kurt Kurt

52:32 Hartmann so generous to donate that what he knows everybody's already paid anyway yeah the the one story I'll tell from last night cause I wound up finishing fifth I'm going to ask you like how when

52:46 were at the I don't know cause I I took off were at the final table and I had the the shortstack and do

52:55 this might have been second hand of the or third hand of the of the final table big blind was forty thousand I had forty five thousand so I put the big blind up and it comes around so fast Yeah well

53:10 you Gotta get the tournament now so if it comes around to me I don't even look at my Cards I just I'm all in right I mean five Grand's I can do thanks I do this so we flip sets for people called Me

53:23 and they wound up plant playing a hand and it wound up with a wound up with a pair of jacks pair of tens pair of nines shapes and all this and you know it was at the end and I flipped that I had

53:40 pocket queens shape one that and and basically that gave me enough so that I could finish fifth and tenth yeah but I wound up with you know it's the charity thing so you didn't win any money but I got

53:51 the the nice box of chips that's cool that I gave to to drew oh Yeah I was like dude here techniques etc I'm sure he's got a set from Afar as reckless as he is like I mean he's

54:06 to that reason Yeah sure like he just I think I think he's taken me out before also at another tournament I think like a quorums tournament or something during nape and that was that was annoying too

54:19 cause they cause the The the last han that I busted out on you know again I was I I had one or two blinds left in Me I think I had one blind basically left in me and we were you know you're you're

54:34 gone around and you're gone is this the Hill I die on the hill well and I had nine to five I had a nine and a five and normally I wouldn't play that card I would have folded but I was kind of like you

54:45 know what let's do this dolly Parton Chows I as I come all in and a guy calls me and he's got a king three or or queen three or something and I got I got Yeah I got like a thirty five per cent chance

55:04 of winning this hand and the flop comes and I get a nine AM I Gonna the so -called but it keeps going and literally on the river he got a jack to create a straight I can go thing that sucked about it

55:16 is we were sitting there I was gone you know no king no King Yeah or no queen whatever it was and and the Duke as well if he gets a jack that's a straight and then boom flips the Jack I was just like

55:27 Oh Man Yeah Thanks for that Yeah that's what that was solid pattern plus your cool to come on inviting me do we like not talk about something we should have and I don't think so no is there anything

55:42 you want to get off your chest like Yeah I'll dig deep on any that I've got that might scare people good God I'm always wondering when my therapist is going to say no chuck just don't come back one

55:56 therapist I'll have one therapist although I will say priests Patrick in effect plays therapist too and best friend fish gets dumped a lot of shit so fair enough Yeah there's it's probably not a a one

56:09 person job Yeah fair enough so now I ask cause there's sex and the city is My probably one of my favorite shows ever and like one of a one of the characters he's like candace candace Bushnell wrote it

56:21 she spent a semester at Rush University nice she's an alum circle and but Yeah like one of the characters is like you know he has three therapists like wine for when he needs tough love for when he

56:34 needs to be coddled and then one when he just wants to look at a really nice attractive man so Berber Berber but one good one good battery go Yeah thanks for having me this is absolutely we'll see if

56:48 it if it goes anywhere Yeah exactly mom enjoy