Chuck Yates Needs A Job

0:21 Hey everybody, welcome back to episode two, the deep dive into landman that nobody asks for. This is episode two, and I want to kick it off with Gates, because you and I had a pretty interesting

0:36 text talking about the intro to the show. So lay it on me. All right, man So the first episode,

0:46 it starts off and everything, you're like, all right, that's some heavy stuff. And then it clips straight into that intro. And I was listening to it and I was like, all right, maybe it's like a

0:57 slow build. Maybe they're going to crank it up towards the end. And I'm watching the images that they're showing and everything, and it's football and high school sports and all that stuff. I know

1:13 that's a big part of everybody's lives, but the music, I kept thinking like This belongs with Friday night lights, not a somewhat action TV show. And it kind of seems like they just, they took a

1:30 nose dive on that thing. And I mean, Chuck, the intro to your podcast is more exciting than the intro to a hit TV show. I don't really understand what the thought was behind that, but I think it

1:43 just kind of takes everything again. I don't get the shade you just threw at me in the intro to my podcast, but that's okay. All right, Matt, what'd you think about the intro? Yeah, I struggle

1:57 with the intro and we can get to the rest of the episode, but struggle with the rest of the episode as well. I don't know if it's a set up episode or what, but I just,

2:08 first, I mean, with respect to that first scene, I mean, there's so much to unpack I don't think you're. First of all, we're with an explosion or something like that. We're likely not gonna be

2:25 the first one out there, Gates. I don't know if that's a situation you've been out there to resolve on your own will be involved. But to that extent, we've got a lot of quality ops hands that are

2:38 usually dealing with

2:42 that. And then, you know, we're there to kind of work things in the background as needed But yeah,

2:47 I don't know, I just, I struggle with the whole episode a bit. There's some really good Billy Bob quotes throughout it. And I don't think it was a complete throw away, but I just felt like there

3:00 was just a lot

3:06 to have been made up in that episode. Yeah, I'm bored. I think your quote was it sucked balls or something like that So feel free to expand. That is just a snooze first. the intro is like, you

3:22 know, we went from kind of having this quasi-realistic show that was, you know, exciting because it touched on a part of our industry to something totally mundane. I mean, you could have had a

3:35 guy running title

3:37 and gone through the ins and outs of him chaining title out and it would have been more exciting, but the intro is just terrible. I mean, it's just, it's boring thing about Game of Thrones intro

3:48 and compare that and that kind of draws you in immediately and it's really cool. This one was looked even kind of cheap, honestly. If we're just talking about the intro, I have other thoughts on

3:57 the episode, but the, yeah, Suck Balls is correct. Well, you know what? You know what? I think it meant like, so I skipped the intro whenever I watch these TV shows. So, I

4:13 wouldn't pay attention to Gates texting me about it. It stands in such. stark contrast to the DJs their little bit about the morning show and their little banner back and forth and the cool oil

4:28 field montage stuff that's going on in the back and then they kick into whiskey mire. And you're like, that's cool. I think that makes the intro look even worse because it's like, guys, if you

4:40 focused on it, some you could do something cool because you did it to start the episode. But they got great music in the show. I don't understand how they got such shitty music for the intro. Well,

4:55 and this highlights another thing that y'all are way too young to get about this. But the thing I found cool about the intros, this is actually made by MTV. And like when I grew up, you know,

5:08 masturbating to cable TV when I was young, MTV only showed videos. It only showed music and stuff. And so that that I think kind of going from MTV and the hype and then to this lame intro, I think

5:25 you're right. So do this though. I do want to spend a little bit of time on the explosion scene and kind of the aftermath. 'Cause I think that was, I think they actually do a nice job of kind of

5:42 capturing the poignancy of those moments. 'Cause I think we've all had, unfortunately, that moment in our career. And so, you know, Matt jump into that. Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think it's

5:56 an important scene. I don't think that, like I'd said, that Billy Bob is the right person to come in and save the day. That's just not realistic. There's too many other people far more qualified

6:11 than your drunk landman to come in and tie off the

6:15 valves. and make sure everything

6:20 is recoverable in terms of that fire scene. But I think what it does is it does like accidents happen. I don't know that, you know, any day, I don't, I would think that there's probably no field

6:36 hand roused about or anyone that is going to go create sparks with a hammer and the well not be shut in I mean, I think there are just

6:49 a lot of precautions that are generally taken for that kind of work to happen. So I just think kind of gives us a bad light because I don't think it's fair. I think those guys that are out there are

6:60 just, you know, usually pretty cognizant of situations like that. But, you know, accidents happen. So I think it's helpful to at least show that, you know, it's a dangerous business and that's

7:13 why guys with.

7:19 What do you say, eighth grade education, felon with eighth grade education is making180, 000 a year? Well, you kind of see why. Yeah, gay to what do you think? So I think kind of going back to

7:32 what Tui was saying initially, first your land man's not gonna be your first responder on something like that. I have gotten a call from a landowner We were fracking some wells in 2021. And

7:48 it was two or three days before our first child was about to be born. So I really did not wanna be out in the field that day. But I got a call from a landowner. He said, Hey, I heard two big

8:05 booms early this morning. And two of the old plugged wells from, I think they were drilled back in the '60s had blown open. and we're spraying gas up into the air. So the first thing that I did

8:21 was call all of our ops guys and tell them, hey guys, I need y'all to get over there and assess the situation. I went ahead and I spent, I don't know, an hour and 15 minutes in the car, but the

8:33 scene that Billy Bob is responding to, the sheriff calls him and says, Hey, are you on the way? And that's the first point when you hear that something catastrophic has gone wrong in the field

8:48 where you call your ops guys. So there's, I assume this is probably a 30 minute drive that Billy Bob is on to get out to the well site. And he gets out there, goes and shuts off the valve by

9:03 himself on the Christmas tree, which the Christmas tree is

9:09 a decent reference. I don't think it was used appropriately there, but the stress on the one valve. is also, I don't think, true. And when he gets out there, he takes matters into his own hands

9:25 and then calls his ops guys and says, get out here. I mean, your ops guys are always the first call when you hear that something like that has happened. And then, further to Matt's point, that

9:38 it's kind of unfair how they set all of that up. You know, they made it look like this is something where somebody could just go out to a well site and make one boneheaded mistake and cause a

9:52 catastrophic loss of life. And I don't think that that is a fair portrayal because in order for mistakes happen and

10:04 it is a dangerous business, but your average, you know, pumper, workover, crew, all of that stuff has so many precautions that they take. to mitigate any of those catastrophic outcomes that

10:22 I don't think it's realistic for somebody to go out there and turn one valve and have the whole thing blow up. Yeah, you know, the one part I like about the scene, bore is that when he calls John

10:37 Hamm the CEO, and we've basically said last week that they're merging characters into one So we'll call John Hamm the CEO, chairman of the board guy. I do like that the reaction is Sombre and the

10:54 first thing he says after a pause is was there crew out there? 'Cause I do think that's real. For as much as we get portrayed as kind of like money grubbing type folks, it's a pretty Sombre week in

11:10 the office when something like this happens Nobody's out for sure.

11:15 100. I mean, it's somber when it happens to anyone, someone else's company too. I mean, we all think about that. I mean, I've never, I wouldn't know what to do to go out there and shut a well

11:25 down that's blowing out. We've had blowouts that I've dealt with, and I've had to go walk properties with surface owners to figure out mitigation and things like that. But that part's somewhat

11:38 unrealistic as everybody's touched on here. But you know, maybe, and if you wanted to give credibility to it, maybe in another life, Billy Bob was an ops hand, and he knew what to do. You know,

11:50 he's kind of the fix it guy, but it's for the most part unrealistic. But can

11:56 I just go back for just a quick second, just to say that how much cooler to the chagrin of my friend Parker Tankis on Twitter, how much cooler would it have been for gin, smoke, and lies from

12:08 turnpike troubadours to Vinay intro song, just something more upbeat, you know, I mean, because. Jen's smoking lies is just the perfect title for a land man's life, particularly Billy Bob's on

12:21 that. But anyway,

12:25 on that scene, it made me also think of BRV. You all remember BRV when he went out and unfrozen all those wells back in the breeze. And I'm a moron, so I don't even know, and I haven't asked him

12:37 this, but he was out there with a blowtorch in that Bloomberg article. And he was unfreezing wells, and I was sitting there going, fucking hell. I mean, what if the thing, oh, I'm sorry, I'm

12:46 not supposed, my mom told me to quit cussing on this thing.

12:50 Don't cuss near Christmas, dammit.

12:54 But you know, like I was thinking he's got that damn blowtorch out there. I, you know, I guess he shut it off and then unfroze the damn thing, or wouldn't he cook the valve? Yeah, yeah, he

13:04 closed the valve, right. But also, you know, I think it's funny that API puts their commercial in there, and they have y'all watched that. all the, you know, I don't pay for the commercial

13:18 lists episodes of on prime video. I'm not on the Paramount Plus. I do it through prime video and API and search their commercials to just talk about they have all these pictures of like offshore

13:29 wells and big facilities. And they're like, Oh, it doesn't really happen like this. But we appreciate the entertainment. I'm like, man, how, how naive are you guys? I mean, that's, that is

13:38 like, you know, to go back on what I said about not being realistic. Well, the show is actually more realistic than the API portrayal, because like, you know, API is all like, you know,

13:49 Chevron wells or, you know, all these, what we call Cadillac wells in the in the field. And there's shit loads of people with FRs and hard hats. But, you know, this is a kind of a small medium

13:60 size company. It appears in Texas. And so there are guys that wear a lot of hats not saying the landman does it, but it's definitely not what API portrays in these commercials as the safest

14:10 industry on Earth that's boring Yeah. No, that's interesting. So, okay, so he gets out there, and you know, we're talking that they're merging characters. So he's the company man and the land

14:24 guy and all that. The, when he, he goes to the hospital and he cuts his own pinky off. That's like, to me, kind of, I think, peak Billy Bob Thornton character development in this episode How

14:42 realistic is that? Have you ever seen anybody cut their own pinky off? I try to limit my self amputations to at least two a week. And, you know, I guess I'm doing a pretty good job. Nice. Just,

14:58 a lot of ways,

15:02 just limited to circumcision. Yeah, pretty much. Perfect. When you see a lot of ops guys that have missing digits and things like that, but. That's not usually from a hammer. That's, they

15:18 didn't call it up in a chain or something where, you know, they had some heavy equipment going on that's usually not a wrench facing the wrong way, trying to hit it with a hammer. Yeah, I agree

15:31 with that. I mean, I've seen guys stitch themselves before, but I think we've all kind of seen some things. I've never seen anybody cut their own pinky off.

15:40 You realize at that moment, 'cause I mean, they're character building, right? And him cutting his own pinky off. That was my moment when I'm always reminded that even Brad Pitt is doing sloppy

15:55 seconds on Billy Bob Borton, right? So,

16:00 all right, too, you give me a favorite scene or a favorite line or something? Yeah,

16:07 oh, okay. When the Houston or big city attorney came in after.

16:14 some sort of liability attorney. And

16:17 Billy Bob calls

16:20 Monians.

16:23 Who's this employee relations pit viper you sent to bite me? And I was like, I was just kind of perfect in terms of encapsulating what he was trying to deal with, which is a pretty traumatic

16:36 situation. And someone coming in and just trying to figure out like, how are we going to absolve all liability at this point or limit liability for the company? And Billy's just kind of like, man,

16:46 I'm just trying to have a, I'm just trying to help right now. We're not really concerned about all that, all that other stuff. My favorite part about that lawyer coming in is she lands the private

16:57 jet out at the airport, gets a car, and it's this baller Mercedes, right? And she walks in and says, I'd like something a little more understated. And the lady goes, I don't get it. And she

17:09 goes, well, something that won't stand out. Oh, that won't stand out in Midland. Please don't go drive it in Odessa. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and the other thing too about

17:21 that was, that was a really, really nice car rental reception area. I don't think that would be terribly realistic of what I see in Midland, even though I drive to and fro. The other one,

17:35 there's another quote that was right in line with that and Billy Bob was sitting, or he was talking to her again And he was like, I lost three friends in a finger today, I'm a little edgy.

17:49 Please don't call me lady or whatever, yeah, whatever she said at the bar. Yeah, gosh, it really makes you hate her. Yeah, it's, yeah, really good character building there. Yeah. All right,

18:02 Borg, give us either more on the lawyer or favorite scene or a favorite quote. Yeah.

18:11 The car part was interesting because I remember my old boss saying, you know, when I was going out to buy leases or whatever, he'd always, you know, what are you driving? What are you driving?

18:23 As if I could afford anything back then that was fancy. But, you know, that was important. He didn't want anybody showing up in a60, 000 truck buying leases. But no, I

18:35 thought my favorite quote of the movie was when, or the episode was in John Hamm said, Our business is one of constant crisis interrupted by brief periods of intense success. And whereas the crisis

18:49 we all deal with are not, you know, blowouts and things like that. They're, you know, losing deals and trying to get deals and the drama behind all that is, and then when you finally land one,

19:02 you know, it's, it's, it's a very binary thing. You're either getting the damn deal and it's amazing, or you're not getting the deal and it sucks and it's a zero. So I like that quote a lot.

19:12 Those are really good. Hey, Gates, I wanna circle back to something on a

19:17 serious note.

19:20 When Billy Bob is talking to John Hamm, and he's talking about payments to the family, the three families that had folks pass away in that explosion, he talked about 250 apiece, and it was just a

19:37 gift to get 'em through This wasn't a settlement. How realistic is that? 'Cause one time we actually had something bad happen at Kane, a child jumped our fence and got hurt really bad on a pump

19:55 jack, and our CEO went out there and told me he was gonna do this, and he was like, I'm just gonna do this. He actually gave them a check and said, This is not a settlement. this is we just feel

20:09 so horrible about this. We want you to have

20:14 this money. And if you sue us, that's, we'll deal with that when we deal with that. So how realistic was that scene? So I think that there is some realistic aspect to trying to take care of your

20:30 people. But what really struck me on that scene is that John Hamm is at a college track meet and he's on the phone with his field guy who's telling him, hey, we had three people that just died.

20:48 And he says, hold on a minute and goes and watches his daughter run the 400 meter or whatever that was and has Billy Bob on hold And that part to me stuck out because I. I feel like we keep talking

21:08 about character development and everything, and that kind of highlights a lot of the character that Monty is playing, where

21:20 I'm going to go ahead and watch this 400 meter race or whatever, and then I'm going to come back to dealing with the fact that our company just had three employees die And the first thing that he

21:34 asked Billy Bob is, were they independent contractors? And Billy Bob says, no, they were ours. And so that's kind of putting his character into the mindset of, hey, is this something that we

21:48 don't really have to worry that much about? But when you've got employees involved, your liability is going to be exponentially higher Even with independent contractors, everybody would be able to

22:01 still, the families would be able to sue you.

22:06 with an employee going ahead and given 250 to each of the families. I mean, I think that's obviously the right move. You have to take care of your people. And that kind of mindset that Billy Bob

22:23 has is in stark contrast to the way that Monty is thinking about and trying to handle that situation. He's looking at it from the standpoint of like, hey, if we give him 250, is that gonna make it

22:36 go away? And Billy Bob's saying, no, it does not go away. It's just the right thing to do. And see, I'll push back just a little. I took that different when he said, were they contractors? I

22:52 kind of took

22:54 that as not necessarily a monetary thing, but more it was like, you know, your CEO, You met these people at the Christmas party. But do

23:10 you know, could you recognize the name and stuff? Probably not. And so it was more kind of

23:19 grappling with that than it was. But maybe it was a money thing. But I viewed it more as just kind of the heaviness that Ham's feeling about this situation. Yeah. So I know for, or Matt, you see

23:34 it any different? No, Chuck, I think that I can see Gates' perspective, but I do think that it was the heaviness of the situation that he was trying to step back and maybe refresh himself or at

23:46 least look at it from another perspective or take some time to think about it. But you could view it as him trying to figure out, do I want to go spend this money and not really think about that

23:58 component. But I do tend to think that it was the heaviness of the situation that was weighing on him

24:06 I think there's a lot of people I agree with all, all takes there, but, you know, we have some experience with litigation and building goodwill in the beginning is important. It's, it can be

24:16 both things, right? It can be the right thing to do and a strategic thing to do. Everyone wants to say, oh, you just did that for this. Well, you can actually have both in this world. And so I,

24:25 you know, building goodwill and then a judge kind of looks at things later is like, what's the, what was their first reaction? My first reaction was to get money to them. And that builds sympathy

24:34 with a jury, a judge And it's also the right thing to do at the same time. I think in the first episode that we recorded, Boar, you were talking about when you're dealing with somebody that a

24:46 landowner that's cooperative and says, here, I have a couple of concerns. Can you pass this along and you do your best to let everybody on the team know, hey, this is a good dude, we want to

25:00 help these people out, can you double check that you're closing the gates and. you know, anytime you go through this pasture or whatever. And so I think there is a deeper element to all of that

25:14 where a lot of the times it's the mid-level guys who are trying to be, and I think Tui, you talked about this also, trying to advocate for, you know, the landowners or the people who are out in

25:31 the field working and you have to build your case with the higher ups who are controlling, you know, the strings attached to all the money. And if you're not advocating for the people out in the

25:45 field to take care of them, a lot of times that might not be something that occurs to the guys up at the higher levels. Yeah, yeah, I think that's a great perspective. You're

25:59 always trying to build your case, at the same time. You're a whole lot closer to what's going on on the ground. You definitely have a lot more empathy to the

26:09 situation and you're probably just gonna do what you think's right at time. And if that leads to consequences, take a slap on the wrist and move on down the road. Yeah, couldn't have said it

26:19 better myself. So I've got one kind of the interesting thing that I picked up on, you know, and this starts in the first scene, but it kind of runs through the whole show is the relationship with

26:34 the sun First off, I find it just fascinating that this actor, Jacob Loughlin, as Cooper Norris, he looks like he actually could be Billy Bob and Angelina Jolie's kid. I mean, he really - Really?

26:48 Like, I don't, you know, I guess they're going through pictures and stuff, but it's kind of interesting 'cause the first thing we see is him popping his head in the ambulance. He sees his son

27:01 being hurt and his first thought is how do I shut off the Christmas tree? Um, but this whole kind of dynamic we're starting to see build on this is dad's a loser, Monty's a hero. I think that's

27:17 going to wind up being pretty, pretty fascinating.

27:22 Matt, lay it on us. Yeah, I thought, I thought that was maybe a underappreciated aspect of this show was the, the, the, the, the relationship component between Billy Bob and his son.

27:37 And, and I think his son

27:42 at 12, they were, they were arguing when he was in the hospital, like, you know, what am I going to do sitting in office and sell computer chips? It's, it was kind of an important quote,

27:51 because it's like, if you think about Chuck, what you did for, you know, your time at Kane or what all of us have done, it's like, yeah, we could go do something else, but we don't know

28:01 anything else, right? I mean, this is oil and gas is what we know. It's our specialty, we love it. We got a passion for it, but it's like he said, are we going to go sit in an office and sell

28:16 computer chips or do something different? I thought that was pretty interesting. The relationship piece of it to, obviously, Billy Bob's got some relationship issues

28:31 that you see all across the show with the daughter, the ex-wife, and the son. But I think one of

28:40 the other things, too, is that kind of gives some perspective is that house that they're living in.

28:48 It's a company man, an engineer, and I think an attorney, the guy sitting at the table That

28:57 just kind of shows you, like, all of us have been in those situations where you're in this rental house, or you're in this foreign city, or. You're living in another place because that's where

29:08 work takes you and so I think that's maybe something that is kind of building this story that we do make sacrifices and those sacrifices can sometimes be at the consequence of relationships. Totally.

29:25 Yeah. I think I mentioned that last time that it usually is and you know every part of this industry every no matter what part of this industry you're in it gets in your blood and once does that it's

29:35 a cliche but it's true and so you know you get just so focused on your task at hand you're part of making this thing work you kind of lose track of what it's like to do anything else I'm not saying I

29:49 mean there's lots of guys who've gone out and done many other things but

29:55 I don't know what I hell I would go do at this point. So

30:01 this kind of gates, I'm gonna throw this to you. This brought to me, I think, the best line of the show and why I enjoyed this show, maybe more than you guys did, is the line I loved, 'cause

30:16 it's hitting really close to home, is he says to his son, I didn't quit, I bled out. And I think that just kind of perfectly describes what this industry can do to you. Basically take all your

30:30 money, you buy a lease, you take all your money, you drill a well, then you turn it on and find out what happened, and you try it over and over again. And I just bled out. That's right. I

30:42 wrote a note with that line, and I hope that they're gonna explore a little bit more about the past that Billy Bob's character Tommy had because obviously he was out.

30:59 doing stuff on his own and things went sideways. He talks about being500, 000 in debt. And it kind of seems like they're setting up the situation for his backstory on why he's in this job working

31:15 for M-TEX. And maybe that was not something that he wanted to have to do, but needed the job security in order to get his life back on track And a lot of the stuff that goes on with working on your

31:33 own in this industry, it's not for the faint of heart. And a lot of people get into it and get over their heads really fast. And it's really easy to sink yourself into - I just got to have one of

31:50 these pan out. And if nothing does, you're kind of left with nothing then going back to. with the other guys we're talking about where you're sacrificing your family and your friends and all of

32:06 that, you get sucked into this industry. It's easy to happen. And you go so deep into it that there's not any way out. And I kind of feel like that's the back story that they're setting up for

32:21 Billy Bob. And I think maybe that explains a lot of the excessive family drama that it seems like they're trying to force in there. I wish they would expand a little bit more on what happened that

32:36 kind of led up to all of that though.

32:39 And it's so true that a lot of the great number twos in our industry failed as number ones and basically had to become a number two. All right, we got two last questions. We'll whip it around Mad,

32:55 I'm coming to you. What was the biggest? a mistake of this episode, like they did something that

33:08 wasn't right or whatever. What was the biggest botch in your mind of this episode?

33:13 Yeah, I think, and I've said this again, it's just the position of Billy Bob and Gates had mentioned it to where he's first responder. Maybe that wasn't the biggest mistake, but that's the one

33:32 that's coming to mind.

33:36 I think that one seems to stick the most, and then maybe it wasn't a mistake, but one thing I don't think we've broached, and maybe it's just a mistake that we haven't had this question or

33:51 discussion was the cigarette scene in front of the hospital before Billy Bob's taken off by the chair. Yeah. That was, that was shut out the oil mud on that one.

34:06 He had mentioned something about that and I was like, man, that's a really good scene

34:13 to get, to remind us of like the gravity of the situation he was dealing with, which was like, I don't really care what you're saying to me, Mr. Cop. We've got other things to deal with. So,

34:27 The line I loved about that scene is when he's driving away with his sheriff friend, Walt. Walt's like, you better go buy that guy a beer 'cause he's got a mean memory on him. I love that, a mean

34:40 memory. All right, poor, give me a botch or something. Well, Matt, you said shout out to Olimut, but I mean, he, Olimut really reminds me of Billy Bob a lot on this. I mean, it's the

34:52 smoking and the way he talks and everything and, I love Olimut so much, such a good dude. But you know, just overall the mistake I'm seeing that starting it's not even a mistake It's just kind of

35:05 part of what the show is gravitating towards is we're departing Very far from what any type of landman does you got your in-house guys. You got your title guys You got your deal guys least buying guy,

35:17 you know, whatever You know, there's there's guys who settle surface damages and things like that and I damn near think that that's I Don't know what kind of landman Billy Bob, but they're

35:26 portraying him to be but we're departing really far Like if people ask me like my friends from New York asked me You know is the show realistic? I was like well some parts of it are but you know the

35:39 as we get into episodes and

35:43 you know, I'm sure three that we're we're we're really not Capturing what the hell I do and have done in my career much, but that's fine It's I keep saying it's Hollywood. We got to cap captivate

35:55 audiences, but I think you really could have some some fun with kind of the adventures that go along with making deals, we all have stories like that where we're flying somewhere, trying to beat

36:05 our competition or doing things, maybe that we shouldn't be doing to get deals done. I'm not going to say the hashtag, but.

36:15 All right, Gates, give us a bot from the episode. So I'm going to have to lead in by saying, I totally understand what they're trying to set up. There's been a catastrophic accident. There's

36:33 been loss of life, all of that. So that is a heavy situation for somebody to deal with. And they're trying to have Billy Bob's character portray the gravity of that by lashing out at the cop at the

36:52 hospital lashing out at the attorney when he meets her at the Patch Cafe. and all of that. The one thing that I don't like about that is that they are taking the typical landman kind

37:07 of purpose in smoothing over tensions and they're flipping that the opposite direction. And I think they're showing that he's, I mean, he even says, I lost three friends and a finger today. So

37:22 I'm a little, a little testy, I think is the line But what I don't like is even in the first episode, when he's arguing with the landowners at the Patch Cafe and everything, I think the entire

37:38 purpose of land men across all of the different specialties and job types is to mitigate problems and tensions. And they're taking Billy Bob and showing him as some kind of badass that's always gonna

37:55 win every situation when he's arguing with somebody. But a lot of the point of him arguing with them seems like something that's out of character for a landman because it's really hard to take back

38:14 those things that you might say in a moment of stress and frustration and chaos and regain somebody's trust Later in the episode, they've got the oil and gas attorney talking about, you need to make

38:30 her like you and all this stuff. And it's one of those deals that I think they're not giving us

38:40 the right side of that coin. They're only showing the bad sides so far. That's

38:47 a great lesson for life. Well said on that. Actually, y'all are all three wrong The biggest web here is when the daughter.

39:04 orders her water burger animal style. That is in an outburger, no self-respecting Texan who eats water burger would order it animal style. All right, last question, final thought. Take it

39:13 anywhere you wanna go. I'll go first and then Madam come to

39:36 you just so y'all have a moment to think. I'm gonna go withs from the first show. I think the two things we didn't talk about in the first episode that we should have. And we got called out on

39:36 Twitter for this one. Babes and brews. How did we not talk about babes and brews getting our coffee there? So total whiff on that. The other thing we didn't talk about, I think this is the most

39:41 underappreciated line from the first episode 'cause it kind of sets up a lot of it, particularly the relationship with the XY. When Billy Bob's talking to his daughter and says oh hell, I couldn't

39:54 keep my hands off her I'd marry her again if she lost the ability to talk

40:00 That was all right, Matt give us a final thought Yeah, just just the You're talking about just perspective of what's to come and and thoughts on the show going forward So what you're looking for

40:15 Chuck? Sure. Yeah, sure basically. I'm giving you an open-ended question Oh, I think the water burger just reminded we got to give Tejano Brown a shout out here Just just on the the sheer fact

40:28 that what a burger made made it. I know he had made a

40:34 He had said something on Twitter like to the tune of hey, if you really want to do what a Lamb and does my wire line companies hi

40:46 Perfect it was a great tweet Yeah, we all had kind of like different takes of that second episode. And yeah, hopefully it gets back on track. I think in reference to what Borer said, I think it'd

41:02 be cool if we just saw a lot more of the storyline hit on what it is we actually do and not spend a whole episode around something that we are involved with, but really more focused on kind of the

41:19 layman side things. But, Chuck, you got your quick Demi Flash there in episode two, so

41:27 maybe - We're in range. Maybe there's more to count. I feel it. All right, Borer, give us a final thought. It's kind of a little bit repetitive of what I said earlier and just what Matt was

41:40 saying to, there are some exciting and adventurous elements that would play well in Hollywood for what a landman does. And I think a lot of that is - you know, how fun it would be to go into the

41:52 adventures and competition involved and getting it like leases.

41:57 You can make that dramatic, you know, you're flying all over the US or the world or whatever. You're the one that gets in the living rooms and convinces the family over your competition, even

42:08 though your competition's paying more or whatever. I think that if they got into that, this show would really start to get closer to what is realistic for what a layman does. I could see a line

42:21 coming out from the movie Wall Street. Gekko, you're a two-bit trader and whore. You'd send your mother's COD. I could send you. You'd give up your money for an eighth override, you know. So,

42:37 all right. Do anything for that eighth. Exactly. All right, Gates, close us out. All right, so we didn't really talk about it the one of the first lines in the show, they've got I can't

42:49 remember is his name Dale in the show, the petroleum engineer, they have him come into the house and he talks about a lightning strike on a tank battery. And I liked that because that is extremely

43:03 realistic and that happens more frequently than anyone would like. But I mean, I'm down here at the ranch in Dilly right now about to pack up and head down to George West to go deliver some bonus

43:17 checks But on Highway 85, just West of Dilly, I think it was Crimson Energy had a tank battery right there along the highway, probably 15 miles West of Dilly. A couple of years ago that had a

43:33 lightning strike and the entire highway was closed down because the tank batteries exploded and were covering the highway. And for about a week after they had cleared everything up,

43:49 you know, giant storage tanks on the wrong side of the highway. Everything was burned all around it. I think that that was something they could have leaned into a little bit further. It seemed

44:01 like maybe they were setting that up as somebody thought there was a lightning strike when those guys blew up that well. But they skipped over that and never really came back to it. But then the

44:15 other part was, Why are they giving petroleum engineers such a bad rap in this show? I mean, they got the ex-wife talking about, you know, that they're so hopped up on Cialis that they, you know,

44:28 get a boner when their phone vibrates or whatever. And I was like, I don't really know that many petroleum engineers, but they don't really seem to be the kind of guys that are like popping Cialis

44:40 in the morning. I don't know what Cialis is about that Yeah, I think.

44:48 Yeah, that was interesting. I think I was trying to figure out in what facet

44:54 that he was playing, and they said he was a petroleum engineer, and I was like, Okay, that's interesting. That's - He's a pumper, right? Yeah, yeah. That's kind of where I had thought. Yeah

45:07 I, don't think

45:11 the way she painted the house was accurate whatsoever Most that I run into are pretty thoughtful, intelligent, and very analytical creatures. I don't

45:24 see that perspective as much, but - It was definitely not a reservoir engineer. Yeah, I knew that, I knew that, I knew that, right.

45:35 Well, all right, boys, y'all all have a good Thanksgiving. As I always like to say this time of year, there's always people that have more than us, there are always people that have less than us.

45:47 And if we can be grateful that we're just here, there's a lot to be said for that. And I've enjoyed doing this. I can't wait to, To go do episode three, this has been fun