Chuck Yates Needs A Job

0:21 Hey everybody, welcome to the deep dive that nobody asked for on the show Landman. We're going to do a special joint episode. Why do I have a pen? This is so stupid. I'm appointing a pen.

0:33 Episode three and four today. Okay, everybody's got a pen. Perfect. Three and four.

0:41 We have a text thread going and Matt, you were like bummed out on episode three You didn't seem to be a big fan. So lay that out. What's wrong with episode three because I was a big fan. Yeah, I

0:57 just felt like it was stuck in gear the whole time. And I'm trying to go back to, yeah, I even have a tough time remembering what happened in it. I guess we dealt with them getting drunk at the

1:12 pool and maybe there was another rig visit. Yeah, so see, I was just having a tough time with three, just wasn't impressionable. I mean, not to say that there weren't parts that were good

1:27 takeaways, but

1:31 that's kind of

1:35 telling me what these thoughts are. All right, Gates, what'd you think of episode three? I got a question for Boar and Tuie Have y'all ever had a boss that let you go bill on his account at a

1:50 country club before? 'Cause I sure haven't. Yeah, I mean, he wanted me to schmooze people. I mean, I don't know about the country club letting girls get wasted on tequila and stuff like that,

1:60 but he's definitely not taking nice dinners and things like, I don't know, I hadn't exactly been a country club, but he's flown me places to get leases. Yeah, I mean, I think that's a little

2:10 different Episode three,

2:14 I don't know, man, I took a whole bunch of notes on stuff. And I wrote over top of all of my notes that there was just too much bullshit drama. And I feel like they continue to try to force the

2:31 family drama into the middle of a show that is showing parts of our industry, but they're giving more time to that drama than they are actually showing what's going on in the oil field. Yeah, I

2:48 guess we could phrase that as character developments. I must admit, I was a little fired up on how the episode started. The Hot Blonde ex-wife jumping off the private jet and a bikini with just a

3:02 top on. Oh, I didn't bring any clothes, fresh in from Cabo. That kind of got the juices going for me. I thought that was all right. And then rolling right into Monty, not letting the dudes play

3:14 through I thought it was pretty cool. Yeah. Sounds like maybe that had happened to his quote was, I don't wait on anybody.

3:27 I mean, I got people play through and I get out of the way because I'm so bad at golf. My spray chart is all over the place. I'm using dozens of balls. Everyone can do anything to me. They want

3:37 on that damn golf course because I'm just going to hold everyone up if not, if I don't let them through. Yeah, I don't have to. I don't think anyone's ever had to tell me that. So you, I'm the

3:46 fastest fastest golfer there is. So I don't usually have to worry about that. But I thought that was a, I thought that was a pretty good scene. I do think that from that scene, Bill, Billy Bob

3:59 is, you know, tanked as the the fall, the fall guy, Gates, not the fall gay. The fall gay.

4:10 I thought the typo was in full and not gay

4:15 I thought that was. I thought that was a pretty good, a pretty good scene, like Chuck is bringing forth. But I do think that a little bit overboard with him being the fall guy at the same time,

4:33 like there always has to be a fall guy. So why not let it be Billy Bob? Because he's just always kind of played that fixer role. So

4:43 yeah, that part wasn't bad I have a point on that, and I wrote a post on the website Landman Life a couple of years back. And I think I called it - I need to go reread my old work, obviously. But

4:60 I think I called it bridging the gap. And we've talked a lot about how they've merged a couple of different roles into the idea of the Landman but I mean typically whenever there's a gap in

5:19 professional responsibility, whether it be between engineers or attorneys, stuff like that, landmen get stuck filling those roles and

5:32 making sure that stuff continues to move forward so we do end up with a lot of liability doing our job and if a company ever was trying to find a fall guy, yeah I do think that a lot of times you

5:49 could figure out a way to blame it on a landman because I've gone out and done stuff that is well beyond the purview of what I should be doing as a landman just to make sure that, you know, the rig

6:02 gets out on location on time and things of that nature so I do kind of like that angle I think they're playing it up a little bit. bigger than it really would be. However, it is a TV show and they

6:20 have a lot of people watching the show that have no idea what we do. So I guess making it bigger is a way of kind of explaining the consequences of those situations. So Matt, you're in a small

6:35 company. I mean, how often do you wear all these hats? Because what we saw in episode three and four is basically Billy Bob Thornton. Tommy makes the call on a two million dollar workover. He's

6:52 the fall guy as Gates was talking about. I mean, do you wear those hats? I don't think it's as pronounced. I think it's kind of a team effort for everything. I mean, I'm not making a lot of,

7:06 you know, the decisions, I guess, are kind of made by committee or made, you

7:12 know, kind of in conjunction with one another.

7:16 I do think there are a lot of hats we do wear. And so it's like, what do you do? What do you do at Forg? And it's like, well, I'm land manager, but what is that? And it's anything from

7:30 watering the plants, filling up the fridge with water bottles to negotiating leases or deals or that sort of thing. So I think it takes a wide gamut

7:42 of things that we do But I think, going back to where I've worked previously, and if you have the accessibility to the field, like when I was working in Ohio and we were within an hour drive, I

7:59 spent a lot more time out in the field doing things, but it's

8:04 now where we're at in relation to the assets or the areas that we tend to target four and a half, five hours is usually a bit of a track. Some of those things that are being done on the ground, a

8:17 lot of times, aren't being done by me. They may be done by consultants that I utilize. And like I've always told one of my main landmen, Jake, that like if I have to go to the field, you're

8:32 fired. So

8:36 some of those things have changed, but look at Matt going all Monty on us right there. Nice. You're gonna have to wear a fucking tie Monty, too. I'd say that

8:47 Monty, too.

8:52 That2 million workover was a

8:55 35-year-old well, by the way. They talk about that, but it's a 35-year-old well, a2 million workover. And one of the guys in the scene says, I think Billy Bob says, what do you think's wrong

9:09 with it? And the guy says, I think the perforation kicked up.

9:19 Well, I mean, the,

9:22 you know, the interesting thing is we know it's a two million dollar workover because Monty tells his wife that. So half of me thinks Monty is just sitting there conflating, inflating things for

9:38 his wife, you know, just to kind of play martyr, right? Goddammit, I hate to invest two million dollars in a well, just said she won't ask for a new gold necklace that afternoon. So I think

9:49 that

9:51 makes sense. I'm overemphasized some disasters, so my wife keep the fucking credit card bill down before.

9:59 So when all three kids were young, my ex-wife went away for the first weekend.

10:09 It was kind of cute because I just ran a military operation with the kids. It was like line up, we all did salutes and we all had jobs. And the kids kind of fought it for about the first 30 minutes

10:21 and then they got into it. What's my next assignment, dad? And we were making up, we cleaned the house, we made the beds, we did all this sort of stuff. So Sunday night, seven o'clock,

10:35 everybody's in bed, everybody's been fed The house is literally spotless, and Kim walks in, and goes, how was it? I go, it was a piece of cake, we had a blast. And she starts crying, oh my

10:46 god, you don't need me, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So yeah, I never told the truth after that about anything. Oh yes, we do so miserable, we need you so much. So I think that's what's

10:59 going on with the2 million cap eggs. But the interesting thing is, it was making 12 barrels a day. And then they do the workover and they get it back to 250 a day. So that's real money. Yep. I

11:12 mean,

11:15 but how many times have you seen a 35 year old well still doing200 million, 200 barrels a day?

11:24 That's just like a vertical, not part of a water flood or anything like that? I mean, I think in South Louisiana, there were instances where you're

11:38 picking perfs up whole or down hole, but a lot of times up hole. And yeah,

11:44 it's conceivable that you could go and pop some perfs and hit a 200, 300 barrel zone that hadn't been depleted or tested yet, so. That's fair, that's fair. I hadn't thought of that going to a

12:00 behind pipe zone Yeah. That makes sense. Just for my mom, who's. potentially watching is, you know, mom of vertical well, you produce down here for a while and because different pressure

12:14 regimes, a lot of times you have to produce formation by formation. And so you just move up the hole and produce things until they're done. But the, yeah, no, I was sitting there thinking, you

12:29 know, 200 barrels a day is like a pretty good for modern horizontal well three years later, not 35 years later. Yeah. Yeah. Hey Gates, I misunderstood your question. I've never gotten the open

12:44 tab, by the way, at the country club. I had a pretty boss who was pretty liberal with the credit card when I was taking out people to get deals done. Yeah, that was for one. And, you know, he

12:55 didn't want to know some of the answers about where we were going, Never the open tab at the country club. For your ex-wife and your daughter? My boss hated my ex-wife, so he certainly wouldn't

13:06 give it to her.

13:10 She didn't wear a short enough skirt. Oh no, she did play in that shirt. It was just, he just kind of, I think he just kind of sniffed her out as soon as she came in and he was fucking right.

13:22 All right, I want to talk serious for just a second about the scene where Cooper goes to the house of the family members that had all passed away in the accident from the previous show.

13:41 I thought, I thought he handled it with a lot of grace and humanity. You know, I was, he kind of walked up, he had flowers and you know, he

13:54 said, His quote was, Your husband was nice to me. They all were. I thought he handled that really well. I mean, give me thoughts on that, seeing Gates. I mean, I've been in situations with

14:10 people you work with that have passed away and going to the wake and all of that stuff. So it's always a somber situation and your relationship is professional with those people So when you're mixing

14:26 it up with family and close friends, it is always kind of awkward. And I think they portrayed kind of that aspect in a real way. I thought that scene maybe went on for a little bit longer than it

14:42 needed to. And they sure like showing that kid eating spicy food. Well, they really do that. They did that like three times. I love the line of you overestimated my ability to be able to spice.

14:55 That was a pretty good one. You know, we've all been to wakes and stuff, but I've never had a hot Latina girl, you know, reach over and put her arm around me and awake and then call me later.

15:07 Yeah, now I think there'd be a way to overt on that thing in terms of, they're just gonna

15:19 be a huge problem there 'cause the cousin pulls the knife out after they go to babes and brews again and says, You touch her, I'm gonna kill you. So yeah, I'm a little worried about this.

15:30 Remember he'd beat that guy's ass too though, that was funny. Yeah, I did wrestling back at tech.

15:37 I didn't know even no tech had a wrestling thing, much less over any good about it So, okay, Matt, give me thoughts about the in effect the wake the in effect the wake. type scene, if you will.

15:51 Yeah, I think it was a little bit drawn out, but I think it brought some, like you had said, humanity to the whole

16:02 scene and really just like brought to light.

16:07 You know, how everyone out there, whether they think there is indirectly a family working out on the rigs, on location, that sort of thing And so I think that kind of created like this

16:24 idea or at least tried to depict that like, you have all these backgrounds that come together

16:31 on location or within the industry. And yeah, there may be kind of this internal strive for, or

16:41 biases that

16:44 take place before everyone gets to know everyone And I think it just - It did a good job of bringing that whole thing together as to everyone effectively being a family. Yeah, you know, the kind of

16:60 parallel I picked up from that scene was, and we'll get into this more, but you know, Tommy's ex-wife basically divorces them and marries the rich dude, the guy that builds hotels to in effect

17:15 take care of her kids, right? 'Cause she, you know, Tommy had lost everything so they didn't have any money and she, you know, she basically says, yeah, I did this just for my kids and all,

17:27 you kind of get that vibe from the widow that, you know, I gotta find a dad for my kids. So there's gonna be some parallels going in on that. So, all right, since we're trying to hit both these

17:42 episodes in one. Is this hyperbole? literally the greatest defense of the energy business ever. And I've seen, no offense, Chris Wright. I've seen Chris Wright do it. I've seen Scott Tinker do

17:59 it. I've seen Alex Epstein, but literally Billy Bob sitting there out there looking at the windmills, talking to the trial lawyer they brought in. Gates, give me your take on that scene So, I

18:16 mean, he was ripping into him. He made a lot of valid points. I don't think that anybody is being truthful about the actual carbon footprint of any of those wind turbines. I was, I made a note,

18:34 I was kind of interested, are there actually wind turbines set up for powering pump jacks out in West Texas? I was wondering the same thing I don't know about that, but when he said we're off the

18:46 grid. I thought that was kind of interesting because

18:52 in order to run those wind turbines, you've got to have giant transmission lines and transformer stations and all of that set up. So

19:05 I don't think that that's realistic to have wind turbines just for powering

19:13 pump jacks. But I don't know for sure, in terms of the way that he was describing the situation with the don't even get me started on the lithium in the batteries and your Tesla and all of that. I

19:28 think he had a pretty well-rounded

19:33 rebuttal against - she said clean energy and he said alternative energy. There's nothing clean about it. So I mean, I liked that scene until it got a little too dramatic with the rattlesnake.

19:50 Yeah, I'll jump in here. I think that with Gates, it was really good until the rattlesnake came about because it's like, Oh, here's another Texas cliche. I've been out in the field hundreds of

20:05 times. I've never seen a rattlesnake, especially in an exposed area like that. But I think talking about the substantiveness of the scene itself, I thought was really, really good. I would like

20:20 to see Billy Bob fact-checked, legitimate fact-checkers to see if there was anything within that soliloquy that was off. Gates, to your question or your point about that, I thought that exact same

20:34 thing because we contract, we have some wells that we operate in a distant part of Pecos County and we have a Bitcoin mine there and to have that mine there for gas purposes, but I still think it's

20:51 generally a whole lot easier to lay electrical line or get the utility to come to you than it is to have any sort of alternative energy source

21:05 to be your electrical source. So I kind of, I scratched my head on that too, because it's like, that seems like a whole lot of capital, but at the same time, I'm not in that space, and I don't

21:17 know what sort of tax kickbacks are coming through. And I do not think, I don't, for the best of my knowledge, they mentioned that Exxon and the operators own those windmills. And I don't know

21:30 that that's ever been the case unless it's subsidiaries that do own those properties. And that could be the case, so yeah. Lay that

21:43 scene on me and I'm agreeing with you. I don't think I've ever seen windmills owned by an EP company. It was fucking awesome because she's obviously some shit lib, Gen Z, naive asshole who doesn't

21:60 know how any of this shit works. And she's also like a, she'll ask for things or get saved by things and then complain about them. Like, you can't win with her. She gets saved from the snake and

22:10 then she's like, Why'd you kill it? She complains about the prostitution in the bar and then Tommy disrupts the sale of her prostitution. Then she complains about that to him. Oh, she's just

22:19 trying to make a living. She asks a question about boom towns and then Tommy, and then she complains when he gives her a gloomy answer about the realities of booms and bust. She's just a stan, you

22:30 can't fucking win with this person. She's a standard, she's kind of disgusting human honestly. She's like irresponsibly, reprehensibly naive. Didn't say thank you for the snake standard piece of

22:40 shit. Gen Z lib who doesn't know anything about what makes her life possible and what saves her on a daily basis. So I just want to say she sucks. They're going to bring it back to where, you know,

22:52 she's going to maybe start getting sweet on Tommy. It's going to be this like, you know, fight or whatever with the XY for what. And that's fine. That'll be a lot of fun. But right now I fucking

23:03 can't fight. Yeah, but right now she can, you know, she can fuck off Do we talk?

23:09 No, I was, I was, Chuck, I don't know if you're going this way. But do we talk about the scene where she's, she's managing the deposition? Can

23:18 we go ahead and talk about that? So before we do, before we do that while we're on his speech, I want to say this, you know, I think we as an industry totally just suck at toe on that story. One,

23:30 we don't do it. Two, we're a bunch of engineers and engineers just suck They throw facts and figures at stuff. That doesn't connect with anyone. I think the only time I've seen a really effective

23:44 ad in the energy business is API, the American Petroleum Institute did it 20 years ago, and energy transfers done at the last three or four years is when you have things, products made out of

23:58 plastic, and IE petroleum disappear, that really connects with stuff And so I thought Tommy's rattling off of, it's in everything. This road we did, tennis rack, it's lipstick, antihistamines,

24:14 plastics, garbage bags, and her responding with, it's gonna be the thing that kills us, and his response of what's gonna kill us is if we run out of it before we find its replacement. So I

24:28 thought in an emotional kind of storytelling way, Hopefully resonated with people and and the shit libs out there that you talk about Kind of went holy fuck. Maybe we really do need this stuff cuz

24:45 uh I thought it was good And I'm scared to death of rattlesnakes. So that's what I do for me I stepped I I haven't seen many rattlesnakes out hunting or anything But I mean there are places where

24:56 they're hotbeds I had I stepped on a fucking rattlesnake when I was like 22 years old going to look at these stripper wells up around Wichita Falls and that was I mean it was a scariest it it felt so

25:07 big that like my foot kind of like planted over it It was massive and I just sprint I like I literally used it as a wedge to just it was like a starting block I sprinted off of the damn thing and it

25:17 scared the piss out of me Shit that would have yeah, I would have been hurt to just sitting there. I love how she didn't move and I love his line After he kills it are we gonna sit around wait for a

25:28 fucking

25:32 So, rate this on a scale of like Tommy's speech, rated on a scale of one to 10 and one is like, you know, shitty having to listen to whatever. And 10 is like Gordon Gekko in Wall Street saying,

25:44 Greet is good. Matt, one to 10, how do

25:55 we rate Tommy's speech? Nine and a half. All right, Boer, what are you doing right? He's excellent, but now that you've made me put it up against Gekko's, I have to give it an eight. Okay,

26:05 fair enough, Gates, where do you rank it? I think I'm going with a seven, he made some good points, but I don't think the delivery was near as inspirational as what

26:19 you're putting it up against. All right, well, Oliver Stone's really good, although I did like the line about how much fucking, Well, you think it takes to lubricate that thing. I thought that

26:30 was good.

26:32 All righty. So Matt, get to episode four and the settlement talks. Have you ever had settlement talks like that? I never had. No, I mean, I think there's probably been deal talks, you know,

26:50 that I don't think that are that adversarial, but they're the same people in the room Yeah, I'm

26:58 trying to think probably, probably not that, but there's been situations that have been close to that that probably didn't get the settlement where we're negotiating. I do think she redeemed

27:09 herself pretty, pretty solidly in that scene. That was, that was pretty interesting, although I do think, is the sexism really that rampant and

27:25 still today? I mean, that got that. That male attorney, that whatever he was saying. He didn't even say anything, there was nothing sexist about what he said. And the answer is fucking, no,

27:35 of course there's not. I mean, not in those situations. A bunch of guys in a room, maybe, but not when there's a lady president where, you know, we're land men, we cuss, we drink, divorce,

27:45 all that shit, but we certainly are gentlemen to women. This fucking ridiculous. Yeah, fair enough. Okay, there's, there's the backup. Sorry to have that. Gates laid on us I mean, I've never

27:57 been in settlement talks, so I have no idea what goes on in those most of the time, but I'm pretty sure you can't just lay it on somebody like that and then say we're walking out of the room. I

28:12 don't think that's how it typically ends, and I don't think that anything verbal solidifies the end of the conversation. Absolutely, that's right Have any of y'all ever negotiated a PSA with Jack

28:26 Heist out?

28:29 No, I've seen him though. No, my whole boss did some deals with him. And I

28:35 like Jack. So I'm not gonna, but we were negotiating a

28:40 PSA with him. And what we figured out with Jack was he just pushed you until you walked away. Just he had to make sure he got everything. If you would have told him before, Hey man, you're gonna

28:53 get a hundred and he was happy with that He wouldn't be happy in the meeting at a hundred. He'd have to push you. So we literally walked out of the room three times and got chased down in the

29:08 elevator lobby. Why don't you come back again and do it? And it was literally the most painful thing on the planet. And anyway, another time I had a

29:20 CEO that would always call me up and wanna do stuff. Hey, we need to do this. Yeah, that's not really what we need to do. Or, you know, let's not really do this. I remember one day just being

29:32 so pissed off at him where I was like, Hey Barry, every time you get meto say no, it's just that much easier the next time. So be careful. But yeah, no, I hadn't seen either. I thought she

29:44 ripped it. I've, what

29:46 was, so I'm gonna say, I'll go first and I'll run around the horn

29:53 'cause it has to do with this scene My favorite line in episode four was after the lawyer totally destroys him, Billy Bob asked her out for a drink. She's like, why are we going out for a drink?

30:07 And he's like, you know, she's like, if you're trying to date me 30-year age difference, I'm gonna do it. If you're thinking something more casual, I want you to know you're up against a little

30:17 toy, the size of a lipstick case that never talks back and never in the sleep me makes wet spot I think that was the best. best line of the, uh, the chef.

30:29 All right, Gates, give me a favorite line or talk more about that scene or take this anywhere you want to go. I mean, I'm still having a tough time with that attorney and the fact that what she's

30:45 probably under 30, she said she's been an attorney for four years and she's their expert on causation of liability and all that. So, I don't know. I'm still kind of stuck on that having a hard

30:60 time getting past it.

31:02 Yeah, fair enough. What do you think, boy? They're finally getting into some deal talk. I love Monty's story that he's telling the attorney in the bar, how he leased up a bunch of acreage for

31:14 900 bucks an acre and sold it for 70, 000 an acre. And he grew up poor and got a scholarship as a high school quarterback. That's literally a story of a guy I know in

31:25 Houston. And like I sent him a screenshot of that and I love that part. That's like my favorite. That's the dream right there. That's what you do. And so I like that whole dialogue. I'm not sure

31:36 I remember the specific quote, but that really got me going Well, and the thing I'll give Taylor Sheridan credit about is he got the years just about right. I mean, in 2011,

31:48 you really could get, you know, Permian acre for900 an acre. And it was the old Wolfberry Fields. I mean, we were all sitting there going, holy shit, is this thing gonna work or not?

32:02 Horizontals. And there was a real train of thought out there in the industry that it was strained, you know, 'Cause you have been drilling wolf fairy wells out there forever. and selling it,

32:14 maybe that was a little late in 2019. I know it was said to be right before COVID, but yeah, you were selling it70, 000 in an acre, kind of 17, 18, it's probably not in the 19, but Taylor got

32:29 the, the vintage, right? Yeah, and I think the,

32:34 I think the vintage, and I think the metrics, everything like was, was pretty good there 'cause didn't he say Reeves County too, it was 10, 000 acres in Reeves County. He said the Delaware. The

32:47 Delaware. The Delaware sub-basin, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I do love the shout out to Texas Tech 'cause this is Cody Gamble, right? Yeah. Got the football scholarship, and all that.

33:02 Yep. All right, so let's talk this.

33:10 Grabbing the drink with the lawyer, the ex-wife comes in, you know, the daughter being so dramatic. Do you have another daughter or is this your side piece? That was kind of funny. But then they

33:22 all wind up, they all wind up having a dinner together and he tells the story about, or she tells the story about Tommy Hire and George Strait to play a private concert for her And that just felt so

33:39 oil-filled, because I'm sure that's happened. Bora, what did you think of that scene? That was cool. You know, before, I don't mean to keep ranting on the attorney, me and Gates both hate her,

33:50 but she, you know, before that, that when she, the lipstick thing, she's always thinking people are trying to screw her, isn't she, like, have sex with her? I mean, she's good looking and

33:60 all, but that's what they all think is like, oh, everyone wants to screw me. I'm the center of attention, main character, bullshit. I agree with Matt though, that she redeemed herself a little

34:10 bit in the boardroom, even though it was a little bit unrealistic and dramatic. And I do like that she wanted to mix it up by going ahead and going to dinner with the ex. That would be some shit

34:18 that I would do. All right. Matt, go ahead. What did you think about that whole time? Yeah, I thought it was, I think it finally gave us some light on how he, how he came about the death and

34:32 where he ended up and why she had to go marry someone else And I do think maybe it, it over dramatizes the boom, boom and bust

34:46 situation a bit and that like, you know, I think maybe in Chuck, you talk about this a lot, but like, I think we've gotten a whole lot better, more financially sound as an industry than the way

34:59 things may have been at the, you know, 2005 all the way to 2018, where It was just like, you lost everything in that bust. Like that was kind of the old days. Whereas now it's like you're always

35:14 trying to protect your downside or at least hedge against your downside as much as possible. Not to say that you can't lose everything, but I thought that was a little bit much. But I do think he

35:27 had a great quote about

35:32 people being drawn to oil boom towns I don't know if it was that scene, but I think it was. And he said, we ain't any different than Tombstone or Dodge City or San Francisco. First come the

35:44 dreamers, then the bankers, then the salesmen, then the sharks, then the desperate and then the thieves. And I think that really captivated like when you think of some of these boom and bust

35:55 cycles or these boom and bust towns, like how it does progress Well, I mean, we've seen multiple iterations of it.

36:06 the various plays in the Permian or down in the Eagleford or up in Appalachia. I mean, all of us have experienced that ourselves. So it did, it was a really good depiction of what goes on and also

36:22 kind of may explain why if you're going to Midland for the first time, you're like, well, why doesn't this downtown look like, you know, magnificent? Well, they've been through a few busts and

36:34 know that the next one, you know, just may not be, may not be worth it. Why do I have the double murder tree as the nicest hotel in Midland? You know, we really need, God, it sucks going out

36:45 there 'cause there's no good hotels. Everyone's like, oh, there's a good Marriott in Odessa. All my shit's in Midland. Why don't we fucking go to Odessa? I'm gonna get stuck. You know, I'm

36:53 gonna go to fucking Odessa and I'm gonna be tempted to go to Jaguars or some shit and then I'm out of a bad fucking night. So I wanna go back to the George Strait concert And something that you said

37:04 in the first episode that we recorded, Chuck, where you said that people went into the oil business because they wanted to get fucking rich and because it was sexy. And I think that's what they're

37:19 tuning into with talking about taking the plane over to Lubbock for the George Strait concert and having the black sequin ball gown laid out in the hotel suite and all that. Like, that's what they

37:36 were going for and trying to tap into and give that backstory, which is something that you had already talked about. And I liked that part. Well, you know what was interesting? When I was a young

37:47 associate at Stevens, I went to the petroleum club for lunch in Midland. I'm sitting there around there with all these old guys. And the two stories I have is one, those old guys talked about

37:59 their companies, It's just like water off a duck's back. Oh, that was my second company. I like that one. I lost that in the bus to here. The third one I liked it, my ex-wife took. And then

38:10 the fourth one, you know, I mean, just didn't phase them. And I was young and just kind of made the point of, hey, why don't you save some money in the good times and that way you can get them

38:22 the bad times. And some old guy put his arm around me and said, oh hell son, it's a lot more fun to spend that money

38:32 and to save it So I mean, that was just the thing. So I took at143 oil, of course you're going to hire George Strait to

38:40 play for your wife.

38:44 One of the things I tried to do for my ex-wife, Kim, her favorite band was Nine-inch Nails. I literally negotiated with Nine-inch Nails agent for about six months to try to get Nine-inch Nails to

38:57 play on the birthday party. And finally, Tramp-Rezner was just, this is too weird.

39:04 So like, you know, I'm ahead like a hole. I'm not getting a good place of Lady Birthday Party, but we didn't get to meet Tramp-Rezner next time he was in town. So that was pretty cool. All right,

39:18 so why don't we do this? Let's run around the horn and let's just do a final thought You can take it

39:28 anywhere you wanna take it. I'm gonna start with, I think they missed a real opportunity when the lawyer and Tommy are at the bar and the ex-wife comes up and the daughter and they all agree to go

39:44 eat dinner. Tommy looks at the lawyer and is like, oh my God, you do know this could be a scene and she's like, oh hell yeah, I'm gonna learn a lot about you tonight And he goes, Let me get the

39:55 tab. She goes, I already got it. They flashed to Tommy who just sits there for a second to take it all in and the bartender's in the back. And you know, he's been giving shit to the bartender the

40:09 whole time about not wanting a tip. I think the bartender had a great line there and they just, they blew it. They just, they went to the next scene instead of having the bartender say something

40:20 like, Cheetip's better than you do or something. So I'm enjoying the bartender and Tommy I do love that, Banchers, that's pretty good. He said something like, He must be a trust phone kid 'cause

40:32 he never gives a shit about a tip. Yeah, he's doing this for fun I. love that, I love that. All right, Matt, give us the final thought of something. Yeah, I think final thought is for us as

40:47 we say Eric or Teak, the story and how things go about, like I take a step back sometimes and realize like, It's, it's, it couldn't be better, yes. Um, but I think generally, uh, it's been a,

41:02 it's been a pretty, a pretty decent show. I think there's, there's bits and pieces that we've torn apart that we'd like to take out, but for the most part, like, I, I think it's, it's been

41:13 pretty good. Um, so I'm hopeful for the, the episodes to come, but I know we're just going to run into other situations again where, uh, we've got situations like the landman picking perfs on a

41:25 recomplete and trying to get approval for it over the phone. I mean, I think that's probably just going to happen. And that's, that's kind of the jack of all trades that, that Billy Bob plays in

41:37 this. So just, we got to take everything with a, with a grain of salt going forward, I think, uh, still be critical, but at the same time, like, I, I do think it's on a decent path. All

41:48 right, Gates, what's your, uh, final thought here? So, back to the wind turbines. I really like the. part where the attorney, when they're driving up to him, she says, God, they're massive.

42:02 And he starts talking about their 400 feet tall and the concrete foundation takes up three quarters of an acre and goes 12 feet down into the ground and all that. I worked out in Sweetwater, Texas,

42:20 back in, I think, 2011, maybe 2012

42:26 And they have a bunch of wind turbines up in just north of there, like in between Sweetwater and Snyder. And so we were working in all the counties surrounding Sweetwater and I would drive back to

42:39 Sweetwater every night after finishing up in the courthouse somewhere and I'd drive by all these wind turbines. And so I was driving on the highway one day and I saw they had a crane working on

42:53 setting up one of those turbines.

42:57 And I thought, all right, well, this is cool. So I stopped at the gas station and grabbed a six pack, took the county road out as close as I could to where they were working on this. And I sat

43:06 there and watched the crane setting up one of the props on the turbine. And that was the point where I realized like how huge these things are. And then

43:18 about two weeks later, I was driving back and I got to stop and take some pictures at sunset of a drilling rig that somebody had running out there in the middle of all these wind turbines and the

43:32 drilling rig looks tiny compared to all these turbines. I mean, I drove up to a couple of them. I was trying to find the picture to send to you guys. I can't find it yet, I'm sure I will at some

43:45 point but I parked my truck next to the base of one of those turbines And that's a

43:53 full size bed, F-150. you know, full double cab, everything. And the wind turbine was massively wider than my truck parked next to it. As long as my truck is, it was wider than that. Those

44:11 things are huge. And I think that was probably, you know, my favorite part of the show so far was kind of ripping in on those wind turbines. We've seen Ally Larger's tits Yeah. We've seen Demi

44:27 Moore in a bathing suit and Gates likes the wind turbine. All right, boys, close us out. Give us a final thought. Well, again, I love the deal talk about Monty. That's, you talked about, we

44:39 all got in the oil business to be rich and that's the dream and he hit the dream. I love the rant. I love the anti-lib rant that he gave. The lawyer sucks. She's standard, every Gen Z. I'm just

44:50 kind of wrapping up everything I've already said here. But it is getting more interesting. I have wanted to see Ali Larter's tits since Varsity Blues. They never really poked through that whipped

45:01 cream well enough, so I'm pretty pleased. I like the show in general, by the way. Yes, we bitch about the inaccuracies, but the show is good. And, you know, if she was a normal ex-wife, this

45:13 first of all wouldn't be realistic for a landman to have a normal ex-wife. Second of all, it's fucking boring. We gotta have some fucking psychopath that drinks too much and bounces around between

45:23 men with a crazy ass daughter We're having a blast with the show. All right, you guys are great doing this. We'll be back next week to do episode five.