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0:21 All right, so what's mom's story about the podcast? She was like, Hey, what's the deal with the introwith all the photos and all of that? And so I was kind of explaining how the podcast started

0:33 and that you had, for a long time, been friends with rock stars and

0:40 stuff like that. And she was like, Well, I don't recognizeany of the people in those photos. I was like, That doesn't surprise me at all, mom. I was like, It's not for you

0:51 You know what was so funny is like my mom sent would be exactly the same way, except for some reason she knew who the village people were. So, it was like, and they were so gay that my mom

1:06 recognized that they were gay. I mean, that was like, so. That's funny. Hey, Matt, how are you? Good. Awesome. All right, we're all in the studio. Our main man Gates brought us libations.

1:21 What did you bring us? Hey, a little Christmas cheer, all four roses, single barrel, oh yeah. And the thing that I have mad respect for is you've got four roses over here and then you have

1:34 Gatorade light.

1:36 You know, he's a pro. He's a pro, I love it. When you're in Houston, it's hard to turn down that drink after dinner and that can get away from you. I called you when I got back to that bar and I

1:48 went night, night. Yeah. You didn't go exploring in the hotel bar to see if there were any creatures? I went to the hotel bar and got a log of wool and then took it immediately up to my room. You

1:60 knew that was the right move. You turned on the episode and - Yeah, yeah, I watched it last night and then I didn't remember it, so I had to watch it again this morning. I don't really remember

2:08 it, so. One of the single greatest moments I ever had at the bar in Midland, as I was there with one of my CEOs, We'd gone, we'd had a board meeting, we drank a bottle of wine during the board

2:20 meeting, then we'd go to dinner, more wine, and then we had a cocktail, and he had Pasco, and he's sitting in the corner of the bar, and I walk over and I'm like, I'll protect the name for the

2:34 innocent. You know, I'm like, hey man, how you doing? I just want to go home. Can I go?

2:41 Let's get the man home. We get the man home. All right, episode six, Matt, what's your favorite scene in episode six?

2:50 Oh, let's see. I think the visit back to Monty's house was pretty hilarious. 'Cause it's like there's so much going on. There's the component of like the young girls or Monty's girls out there

3:08 playing in the pool with their boyfriends. And then there's those two lawyers to the side So Moni's just kind of like. What did I step into here on multiple fronts

3:20 that was that was pretty compelling but honestly I think this show this was this may have been one of my favorite episode so far will you know you and I were talking last week about how we wanted to

3:32 see more monte and I think you're absolutely right I think it just brought up way more questions one I think it's going to be totally unappreciated and like all the fan forums and stuff but mani's

3:47 artwork was a piece of work man just big huge pain lowly yeah the place was amazing it's cool place the place is amazing and you I Dunno where you found this map but you texted our group text

4:00 something to the effect of this morning that sixty percent of season one is done and Demi Moore hadn't done anything she'd been in the swimming pool a couple of times she's kind of been eye candy for

4:13 money at the petroleum club and like she really could have done something else episode because they're coming to the house and literally her only kind of cool line was life's a lot but a lot a lot

4:26 more interesting when y'all tour de Yeah Yeah that is kind of crazy though like she's a a minus actor these days and if she plays this role continues to just be in this kind of backdrop always it's

4:38 going to kind of bring her down a notch I mean that's something that like a bee or silas actor you don't even know who she is essentially they they put a big name in there and they haven't used it for

4:47 you know maybe it's coming you know maybe I dunno how but maybe she fits into the story later it pops up a season to something you know I was reading that tweet one time and somebody was saying for

4:59 NFL quarterbacks you know you should go get all of these retread quarterbacks that people get each sign like five of them and use them like relief pitchers yeah then the game was so maybe she's a

5:13 relief that that's what's going on like we're going to pop up

5:18 pumper in the I'll say the meeting at money's house kind of got to me because he money sat there and he said, he said, you know, talk in my daughter into going to TCU is the greatest thing. She

5:30 parties it, you know, my house and, you know, my driver, driver's drives her to the bar and all that sort of stuff. Because my daughter Sarah, who lives with her mom and watched you about a

5:42 mile from rice got into rice and chose Vandy instead. So I lost her to Nashville. So that was, how does that make you feel Matt? I can't, I honestly can't blame her. I, I took a visit to Vandy.

5:56 And they didn't offer me enough money. So I ended up doing her ice. It's a good school. But she's getting a hell of a football program compared to rice. Maybe we're up and we're up and coming. We

6:08 stole their ad We ain't coming for shit, let's be real, been a long time. It's been a long time, so, alrighty, more give me a favorite scene. I really like the scene where Angela goes to the

6:24 ex-husband's house, and who I wanna see more of is this, and we won't, is this ex-husband. That guy knows how to party. He hangs out with insane women, and a lot of them, you know? He's got an

6:37 amazing house, one in Cabo, a ranch, a jet and shit, he's just having fun. Divorce lawyer on a tanger You guys, man, he's done this before. He knows exactly what he did. Well, firm on

6:47 routine. They're in the house, they didn't know she was coming. They were just in the house ready for it. I love this guy. I think one of the under-appreciated lines for that was when the lawyer,

7:01 you know, she's sitting there saying, You're denying that you committed adultery with Tommy Norris. That's just my ex-husband. And the lawyer fires back, Ma'am, that would be the definition of

7:14 it. It's all true Yo, that was so cool. Yeah, yeah. The other thing I loved about that scene so much, 'cause I think this is like the greatest line of the whole episode, is she saying, she's

7:25 sitting there talking to Tommy on the phone and she's just like, I love that car so much. I may just blow him to get my car back. You're just gonna have to man up and deal with it. And he's like,

7:36 be sure to get a toothbrush on your way. Tommy didn't give a shit. I might blow somebody for that car. That's pretty sick ride Yeah, I mean, just once you're not gay, right? No, no, it's only

7:48 gay if you do it twice, right? Yeah, exactly. Or if you like it. Exactly. All right, Gates, give us something that from the episode you saw. All right, so I really liked the conversation

8:01 that Tommy has with the sheriff. When the sheriff says, hey, this is on the radar now, I gotta handle this. And he says, I'm gonna handle it my way Give me 15 minutes. And I loved the kind of

8:16 frontier justice situation. It came in a little bit heavy on everything. I don't know that that's necessarily realistic to be smashing somebody's skull in with a pipe wrench. But at the same time,

8:31 it's Hollywood. And I really liked how they brought that back around to like, you know, his whole point was, it doesn't matter if it's my son I was gonna be doing this anyways, but you fucked up

8:46 with the wrong family. Right. You know, it's coming hard. It was like his job. He essentially, this is my job. I take care of my people. Yeah. And he does. You fucked with the wrong bill,

8:56 Billy. Yeah, that's such a good try. Yeah, that's good. All right, Matt, have you ever bashed someone's head in out at the man camp?

9:05 No, I think I've been to one man camp. It was very quick in and out. It was

9:15 Yeah, so do y'all know who Marshall Atkins is? He was the longtime research analyst at Raymond James, the oil field analyst and stuff. Marshall's got a place down on the coast where you can go

9:28 shoot and fish and do all that sort of stuff. And every time oil field service goes into the tank, he buys man camp stuff from oil field service companies. And so you can go out there and he can

9:41 house, I think, 40 people now. He's got like conics boxes and stuff He's got the boxes everywhere, you know. Very cool, yeah. You know, the other thing I liked about that scene with the

9:52 sheriff is the sheriff sitting there saying, You know, we hadn't done anything like this since 2016. No, that was one of the, that was the - The bearded guy. The bearded guy. Yeah, he's an

10:04 addict. Well, the petroleum engineer, that's the pumper. Right, right, right. Yeah,

10:09 that's funny. Yeah, that was - But we have done it before. And maybe a couple times prior to 2016, you know so we skipped over one thing that I wanted to bring up you know so so she goes into the

10:22 to the husband's house in fort worth and yeah he's got the lawyers there and he's gone through the divorce and it's like you know this stuff's a gift you get to keep it you get three hundred thousand

10:33 dollars in the bank everything else is mine I he says and here's child support or ainslie through her eighteenth birthday put that in my note and here's a letter what does that mean I want to know

10:47 what's in that letter your mom's a whore he was and and is he the father of anger cause Tommy's Tommy's been treated and treat her like a Yeah I Dunno there may have been more than one time that

11:00 they've gone back Angeles gone back and forth you may have overlap Angeles a hell of a lot better looking than cooper that's for Damn Sure Yeah No Shipper is a shitty actor I don't even know who he is

11:14 but It's like this minimalist style of acting, I guess. And he just, I don't know, he's not a good actor. Was he the country singer that they got that was like out of Midland, the upcoming

11:24 country singer? That makes sense, he doesn't feel like an actor. I don't know. We need to look at it. Okay, I'll look it up, y'all keep talking. 'Cause when they were initially setting up the

11:32 casting and everything, people on Twitter were talking about that they found some up-and-coming country singer and they were like, who better to play a land man than an up-and-coming country singer?

11:42 We'll tell you what, and did that in Yellowstone Yeah. I forgot the guy's name

11:49 that. Which by the fucking way. I wanna talk about this, just for a quick second. Let it on us. Yellowstone, I saw a clip of it. It was like the final clip where he gave the land back to the

11:57 Indians, you know? I wanna know what's the land man version of that? Is Cooper gonna inherit the company somehow, you know, and give it to the cartels? I mean, you know, am I supposed to give

12:08 all of my overrides back that I - Are there his little Latina side piece? Yeah, there's been either some talk on our, on Twitter, on our text thread that her settlement is going to fund Cooper's.

12:22 Well, yeah, it's interesting. I mean, I like that angle, but

12:27 another, another part that we haven't really talked about was the settlement agreement when they had the meeting with the families and everything. And, you know, we, we've talked repeatedly about

12:40 how they have just, you know, dug a hole for the female lawyer. I can't remember her name. Yeah, Rachel, bitch, that they keep every opportunity they have to make her out to be just like a

12:54 detestable. So hateable. And then she walks into that meeting and they leaned in even harder on that where she's trying to, like, take away the 401ks and, and then threatening them, essentially.

13:06 Yeah, it says previously that, like, well, the families don't know that they're entitled to the 401ks and all of that and like, it's the complete opposite of what Tommy and I think Monty also

13:19 would say take care of their people, and she's coming into that situation and inserting her own agenda of like, you know, well, there, maybe we don't have to tell them that they've got over half

13:30 a million dollars in a 401k. Well, that's not realistic. Like, come on. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, particularly not from member of the bar. Right Like, no attorney is going to be going out on a

13:41 whim like that and trying to play hard ball in that specific situation. Well, because things were going so well with the attorney that lives with Tommy. Yeah. Nate, he was doing great in that

13:52 room. And then she comes in and a cunt front blows in and she's the meanest liberal bitch I've ever met. I hate her. Yeah. Yeah. And Nate, I thought was really good in terms of handling that.

14:03 Well, and I loved the part where they said, what's the catch? And he said, there's no catch.

14:09 We get all tensed up like yeah like get them to sign it and like you know the catch is you have to sign it and jump in here mascot Yeah know that the the catch was your sign in the release which I

14:23 thought was Interesting I thought this was just like a gratuitous that's what I checked they were supposed to receive not have to sign anything and I think Arianna plays a great role in that part

14:34 because she's like asking the common sense questions in this this period of time where mom's getting like Super Desperate if you're not to blame while for US money and Yeah I Think I think that's a

14:50 that's a pretty important Yeah part of that that whole scene right Yeah and Yeah she doesn't look like she's going to sign so back to this theory in settlement you know the Cooper's going you know and

15:04 so maybe that's Gonna happen well the the thing that got me about that seen to is, I don't think anybody in today's society signs anything without talking to a lawyer, right? I mean, I guess, I

15:20 guess, I mean, it would because get a lot more Lisa sign. Oh, shit.

15:27 Go ahead. Sorry. No, no, no, we're, we're, we're story dealing with a lawyer. You got one. I mean, yeah. And then the worst combination when you're trying to actually lease somebody is a

15:38 lawyer who's in a trust department, you know, managing minerals. We talked about this a little bit last night. They're the worst. They'll fuck up any deal. I'm like, fuck it. You know, if

15:46 it's Oklahoma, I'll force pull you. If it's Texas, you know, some, you know, I'm done dealing with you. I just don't want to fuck. It's almost criminal to let banks manage any type of oil and

15:54 gas interest, because they just do such a terrible job. I've walked away. And then most of them don't even understand Oklahoma or spooling. I'm like, I don't need to talk to a dickhead I can

16:03 force pull your ass right now at three sixteenths or you can be Nice and sign this lease with me right now to fifth. Well, we won a quarter. We're a bank of America

16:14 or whatever trust department is. Like, no, I'm just going to force it full. Go fuck yourself. Have you ever dealt with Frost Bank? Oh yeah. Okay. Absolutely. You know, they have the

16:24 billboards. We manage more minerals in Texas than any other bank and all of that and that's like their claim to fame. But I swear to God, when you send them something, they start a six month timer

16:37 and you won't hear anything for six months. God dang. And they don't actually - It's like a policy? They have like 10 or maybe 12. Matt, do you happen to know how many people they have in their

16:48 oil and gas division now? It's sizable. I haven't dealt with Frost in a while. It's 10 or 12 guys and like they just, they don't seem to ever get anything done. No, they don't. They screw deals

16:59 up quite the opposite. So break this down real quick in case we got somebody from Paramount and we're waiting for our big huge check, Paramount. to sponsor the podcast. Or at least some swag.

17:11 Some swag. Well, one like selfie with Demi Moore or Ali Larter, that's what we want. You can do that. Yeah, I totally. We'll let you be the front man on that. Perfect, y'all are so kind. But

17:24 no, break this down real quick. Tell us what

17:28 force pooling is, just so the audience kind of knows. And then the second question I'm gonna ask, and I'll come to you, Matt, on this question is, why is it bad that a bank's managing, managing

17:43 your minerals and trust? So tell us what force pooling is. Quite simply, I mean, it's not literally this mechanism, but the effect is the same. If you don't sign a lease in Oklahoma,

17:56 essentially the Corporation Commission will sign a lease for you. I mean, that's the effect of it. Like if you're gonna hold out and you wanna go get, I don't know, Chesapeake wanted to get a

18:06 well-drilled or whatever.

18:08 and you got a guy with 320 acres and you've got the leases on the other 320 and this guy's holding you up. Well, you'll go to the Corporation Commission, file a force pooling, they're done every

18:19 day and he'll have choices and they'll be at market rates. You have to do a value check, you like make calls to all the mineral owners around there the out figure and fair value. And then he'll get

18:29 choices in the mail. He'll get a set of documents and they'll say 316 and a thousand bucks, 500 and a fifth per acre and a fifth royalty or no cash and a quarter or whatever. And if he doesn't

18:43 elect, then the company gets to decide. And it's essentially the lowest royalty is what they decide for you. 'Cause if we step this back at kind of like time zero, there was a court case that

18:55 basically said farmer Brown owns the minerals underneath his ranch. And this is unique in the world Every other place in the world, you're. negotiate with the government because the government owns

19:08 the minerals the United States Farmer Brown whoever owns the land as all the way to the surface and so early on Farmer Brown figured out I don't want to actually pay any money to draw the well i just

19:21 want to share the revenue so that oil TNS the royalty so like if if he has the whole unit will then I won't get into that but if he has all the minerals where they're drilling lets you say it that way

19:32 and he's got one fifth of twenty per cent royalty signed and in the lease that he signed with a B C oil company then he gets twenty percent of the gross value of what comes out of it abroad so just

19:43 revenue right of every one hundred bucks if it's a hundred bucks a barrel one barrel comes out he gets twenty of them exactly exactly and then this other thing embedded in what you're talking about is

19:56 this an over simplification but you look at the state of Oklahoma he looks that Texas whatever then you divvied the whole thing up in a grid intersect which are 640 Jeffersonian grid acres and so that

20:11 except in Texas. Yeah. Well, that's true. Fair enough. No force pooling. No squint. Not everything's integrated. Spanish land grants. Yeah. So, so we're going to come right back to that.

20:23 But, but in Oklahoma. So it's 640. Yes. So if my ranch is 300 acres, I own 300 of that 640. Yeah. Okay And just to make it even more fucked up and complex, I own the ranch back in 1920. I die

20:41 and I had five kids. I leave it to five kids. They each have five kids. One has a gambling debt. He sells it off to this. It just goes. I know it interests. I know these people all over the

20:52 planet. Exactly. You know, I had a Methodist preacher in my chain of title that went on a train selling minerals on my section one time. And I had to call people in Austria and Spain and get

21:02 leases all over the Fucking place but by the way it's the best fucking system on Earth the Force Boeing says Yeah I am so tired of people blocking predict you not everyone can enjoy their luck if you

21:12 try to stop it right as the example you gave the three hundred acres and then the other Guy wouldn't be able to enjoy his mineral rights the other three hundred fighters in there Sir Bor I I've got to

21:23 disagree with he had that there yeah the in situations like let's just use a surface situation of Eminent domain where you eat the government effectively takes your your land and let's say you've got

21:35 a thousand acres or or something and all of a sudden pipeline company comes in they want to put this big line in and you refuse to negotiate with them and you're stuck with some crappy court

21:47 determined fair market value that you have to take and allow them to cross your property while I know it's difficult with undivided owners in some of these people don't even appreciate what it is that

21:60 they own i do think that it is at the heart of private mineral right ownership would hope to be able to have that now I'm not arguing with you at all whether it's right and whether I like it are two

22:12 different things I didn't say it was right I said I know well well a fair fair fair but I totally agree with you I mean you're not a communist know but if we had here's here's the counter I'm getting

22:27 or or the the case I'm building is let's let's look at Oklahoma let's look at Texas in Texas other than Mega You've got the the closest thing you've got to pooling in a lot of cases is allocation

22:41 wells right Yeah that's just take you take the well lengthy you try and combine some leases but you don't formally unitized those because it's kind of a grey area and and Texas oil and gas law right

22:52 so that that piece though I think is is kind of the wild Wild West counter to Oklahoma which is is That You know is that the better option too or is that that that the better option in the opposite to

23:08 force porn and I think they both they both can work I've seen both working and and the various jurisdictions Oklahoma Louisiana Pennsylvania Ohio West Virginia Texas New Mexico so I've listed like a a

23:24 mishmash of states that are a mix of forced pooling and no porn Nope no compulsory core right and they tend to work I do think it's so frustrating God when there's just some cock Sucker California

23:39 Anti fracking piece of shit who doesn't want you to drill or minerals and now everybody can enjoy it inside that Yeah but but here's how you take care of it as just carry him I know that's the most

23:51 people a lot of people won't drill if they have to carry special maintenance depending on how large the interest is completely blown an entire development plan for a fifty percent you're not going to

24:00 drill that back in on it. Would you? Yeah, but I think if you look at, look at the Texas, look at, look at the core of, of the Texas base and the preferred Delaware Midland, yeah, you're,

24:13 you're like, oh, at some point someone takes the initiative and develops it, whether they've been able to work out a deal or that particular problem child has sold their interest, they've been

24:24 able to negotiate with someone else. Yeah, I mean, you're, you're right. It forces resourcefulness to get it done. I don't disagree again, right? And what I like are different. Yeah, yeah,

24:32 yeah, for sure. No, the predictability components. Great. Like no, I'm not good for me. Yeah. So I like where we've gone discussing more of like the

24:42 actual landman stuff that we're not really seeing in the show, but tying it back to the show,

24:50 when we're talking with Monty and Tommy about the 17 wells that are 35 years old and everything, I think that's an interesting aspect. because, you know, when you get into the HBP title situation.

25:05 What is HBP mean? Held by production. Yep. And that means you've got an active lease that the well was drilled on it and is producing. 'Cause Farmer Brown back in the day said, I don't want to

25:17 put up any money to drill the well, so I just want to net revenue interest, right? Just wear no box money. Yeah, where I get a share of the revenue. And oh, by the way, the oil company said,

25:27 So long as I got oil producing out of that well, this lease is good, you can't like yank that from me. And that was the trade. I think it's interesting what they're doing with those older wells

25:39 and how they're doing the reworking the wells, you know, this whole field needs to be worked over, I think was the quote. But what they're essentially trying to pull in there that they haven't

25:52 really done a good job of actually delving into yet, hopefully they will, It seems like Monty. was able to, they talked about how he bought for 10 cents on the dollar and then sold it for a huge

26:08 profit. And then when 2020 happened that he bought everything back again for 10 cents on the dollar. And that's how he's made so much money. What seems to be happening here is that he has a good

26:22 area of somewhere out in the Permian. They're not really saying what formations they're targeting or anything like that Buffalo field. But that he has, but that he has these old wells that I'm

26:36 assuming HBP are

26:39 probably all depths. They're 35 years old. They're probably old. That's an old lease. So back in the day, people didn't use depth clauses as much. Right, pew clauses and all of that. And so I

26:49 think that there is future for new development that they have alluded to with the cartel in the first episode We're building pads next week. He said that. I think he said they're putting in, you

27:02 know, it was a couple hundred, 200 or 500 wells or something like that. That upside. Yeah, and that is something that doesn't actually happen in real life out in the Permian. But if you had a

27:18 tiger by the tail with a position like that, I mean, that position alone, you're a billionaire Just having that position. Absolutely. Well, yeah, you get to marry Demi Moore. That's the only

27:31 way. And get her to shut up the whole episode, so. You're

27:36 very true. Okay, so this is my. Wasn't correct in the industry moment that I want to, like, point out. All right. So when Tommy comes into Monty's house and Monty's like, Well, who's drilling

27:55 in the unit or

27:58 the field? Yeah. He says BP, marathon, and chevron. Right. I'll give him marathon and chevron, but BP's not out there. Right, BP's putting up the turbines though. Yeah, there you go, there

28:09 you go. Exactly. Yeah. All right, hey, Matt, I'm coming to you on this 'cause I wanna say one thing, you know it's, we've talked about how this is Hollywood and it's for TV and it's drama and

28:25 it's got some soap opera stuff But I wanna say a real moment that I really appreciated is Tommy in with Cooper in the hospital room recovering and he says, Hey, give me a moment. I need to talk to

28:43 my son and the whatever she is, leaves. The side piece. The side piece.

28:51 Fair enough. No, but I like the line when he's sitting there Hey man, that girl is going through some level of hurt. that you'll never understand, you gotta take it slow. I thought that was a

29:03 moment of humanity and realness that I gotta give Taylor props for including him. That was real. Yeah, I think he does a good job with that character, with the Billy Bob character, and I think

29:18 Billy Bob's probably pretty genuine anyway, so you get a mixture of Taylor and Billy Bob and some of those deep scenes But yeah, I thought that was definitely a good added touch there. I also think

29:34 that I don't want to jump to the end, but I guess I kind of will in terms of talking about the son, which I can't even remember his name. Cooper. Cooper.

29:47 And how he's just, you know, Billy Bob's just like, man, he's not tough enough to survive out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right It ain't mean enough for this vice.

29:59 Yeah, it is. I mean, Tommy like inspires loyalty in people. And he's like, and you can tell why because he genuinely cares about people in the show. Yeah, absolutely. Like his guy, the

30:08 engineer that came to move into the house because he's got a divorce and the lawyer loves Tommy. Everyone loves him. Well, and that smoke show wife wants to come back to him. Well, and the great,

30:20 the great line is they're sitting there in the hospital and he looks at the production engineer and he's like, you got plans tonight. As soon as you tell me what we're doing. Now you're ready to go.

30:29 Yeah. They're ready to go. And I do think I see that in the oil field, just this extreme oil. Absolutely. To certain people. I mean, you see management teams that are together through kind of

30:45 thick and them. My business partner and I've been together 22 years, you know, yeah. Yeah. It's, I totally agree it's it's it's unique to our business you know and there's cutthroat It's always,

30:57 we always say the same thing my business partner knife. A guy says, oh, you can trust me. You can't trust him. Right. Right. You just can't. They always say that shit. So I'm not sitting here

31:04 trying to act like I'm the best guy in the world, but like it pays off to care about people in every respect of life and especially in our industry because it's so small, everything comes back

31:15 around it. Well, doing a favor for somebody or just trying to. I think that's great at that, by the way. I'm sorry. That's what Taylor Sheridan's trying to lean into is that the relationships

31:24 are how you build Absolutely. And the money and the assets and everything continue to change, but the relationships don't. Right. He's leaned a little too hard into the family aspect. I think

31:38 it's gotten a little out of hand with the cinematic lawn mowing and all of that stuff. Seeing a car drive by for a minute. That is important. The relationships, the friendships, the trust. And

31:50 trust is earned. It's not bought in this industry. when they're showing the relationship that Tommy has with Monty, you know, Monty a few times throughout the series so far has talked about

32:03 everybody's got, everybody's got a version of Tommy. Right. And if I replace him, I'm gonna have to hire somebody with less experience and less loyalty. Yeah. And that's huge. That's a big part

32:20 of this industry. I was about to say about Matt, that I could almost get emotional talking about how awesome Matt is. Like, he will try to help you You just call Matt, you got a problem, or you

32:26 just kind of want to, hey, do you know anyone at such and such company? Matt will - Introductions. Introductions, Matt will try. You know, I got a buddy. He's in New York and you call him.

32:36 He's really connected. Really connected. And he's, you know, he's a good guy, I guess, but he's, no, I'm sorry, immediately. Boom, no, no. I'm sorry, I can't introduce you to such and

32:47 such. Nope, nope, not doing it. That is the opposite of Matt Tooey, by the way. Well, and I've told this story. So I was given the speech to the Petroleum Alliance of Oklahoma, their first

32:58 meeting kind of post COVID. I was the keynote speaker and it was a dinner and I show up in my hoodie and kind of give a speech. I think I made fun of you for that on Twitter. You probably did.

33:12 That was the second speech where I was IPing pools. But the head dude wanted me to talk about failure and I'm like, well, that's kind of shitty to invite me and say you want to talk about failure,

33:25 but okay. I could do that easily. But I was talking about things and I truly meant this. I mean, you two dudes reached out on Twitter and we're having a happy hour and we all sat there on Zoom one

33:38 night and those are the two greatest beers I've ever had in my life, you know? You had gotten, I think you had joined Twitter recently at that point. Well, you had just popped up with the Nimble

33:53 Fatty thing and I thought it was a parody account. And so Matt was like, hey, Chuck wants to join in on the Zoom happy hour or whatever. And I immediately was like, is that actually Chuck or is

34:04 this some random other person? He's got how you have tea stories. Like you have tea stories. And you got on and I was like, holy shit, that's Chuck.

34:14 I think you were in my telly ride or sewer. He had the beach, he had the beach background too Yeah. Yeah. I've never heard that story. That's the answer. Yeah, no. I mean, that was like

34:23 harder COVID 'cause, you know, That's how all of this shit got started, man. Yeah. This is how EFT, that's a, that's a, one of the EFT stories of how it got kicked up. No, it was, it was

34:34 kind of crazy 'cause my ex-wife has asthma in early days. We didn't know if that was a comorbidity, right? So the kids are going back and forth. So I'm literally having to just like seclude myself

34:47 Richmond, Texas. in my house and stay away from everybody and all that. And as nice as it might be, if she died of slow, painful death, it wouldn't be good for my kids. I love my kids and she's

34:59 a wonderful mother. I mean, she's a, I'm so blessed with this wonderful mother. And so I'm sitting there by myself and you guys were cool enough to let me join you guys that night and I felt like,

35:12 cheers. Cheers, I love that story. I felt a little bit like a zoo animal, you know, that I was kind of like the lion sitting there and everybody's staring at me, but no, it was really cool. No,

35:23 all of us were just shocked that you were like, Hey, whatever, you were drinking wine.

35:36 I think all of us were drinking beer or cocktails. And you were like, Hey, cheers guys. Like, that was fun. Yeah, it was really cool. And it actually meant a lot. Again, relationships in

35:41 this industry. It's more in our industry is my point. more unique to our industry, I think. And I don't know, I've been in a few other industries, but I haven't seen. When you were talking

35:51 about Matt being a good guy, when my partner Chris and I, he's sitting over here behind the cameras, but when we first started working with, or boys over at Ridgemar Energy, who just sold to

36:07 Crescent and everything. And when they - When they car kneeling. Boy, yeah, good job, Goodman. Yeah, exactly, wait again Yeah, I started all of this and they were interested in having us do

36:18 some work for 'em. I reached out to Matt and I was like, Hey, I don't really know these guys that well. What do you know about 'em? And Matt said, They're really good guysand honestly, I can't

36:28 think of a better group of peoplefor y'all to work with than those guys. They're genuine - Matt says that. They're not gonna bullshit you. Y'all are gonna get along great and I think that's gonna

36:39 be a great relationship. And it was. I mean, we fucking killed it for those guys Over the last year. Y'all did. to the point that they were able to land. Land assembly is like the key to what

36:50 they're selling. I mean, that's that's, y'all killed one. And that was a relationship that started with, I just called up James Parker one day and said, Hey, we're here to help. If you need

37:02 help in South Texas, we're in San Antonio, this is our home. South Texas is my backyard, I got family, I got friends, a lot of relationships down there. We can help you guys out And then I

37:15 needed to feel out that situation because trust is hard to come by in this industry. Yeah, totally. And I wanted to make sure that these were good dudes to start working with. Yeah, yeah. And

37:26 Matt was the one that kind of, you know, reiterated the point of, hey, these are good dudes and y'all be - My only question to Matt's judge of character is that he's friends with me. I haven't

37:37 fucking figured that out yet. Yeah, the Groucho Marx line about why would I want to be in a club that would happen to me? That would happen to me Exactly, that's why I question that. All right,

37:46 I think the response to that is, you gotta be a misfit and you gotta be genuine. So that's why. Well, thank you, Matt. Well, we'll say it. All right, so we're, the exit question,

38:01 give us a final thought. I'm gonna give two, then I'm coming, Matt Boor and a gay chill close. So I got two final thoughts on this episode that I love So, Ali Larter walks into the house, gets

38:18 the divorce as we've talked about all this and deals with the 25-year-old that's gonna replace her and all this. Awesome. The baller moves, she walks into the wine cellar, she grabs two bottles of

38:33 wine and they're both either Harlan or Bond. And the coolest thing is Matt is sitting on a case of Bond right now, as will he speak. Yeah, that's right Really Jacob will get a picture of that. my

38:46 favorite wine on the planet. So anyway, I love that. Never had it. Oh, dude. I tried my wine. I called you for wine advice the other week and I appreciate you left me a voicemail a bit. I was

38:58 like, you were napping. And then kind of second subtle moment that might go without talking about, but I'm gonna say it is Cooper's in the hospital and sister is there and she pops into the room

39:14 Well, I've been waiting here five hours to make sure you don't die and he's like sorry to disappoint. And I've never had a sister. I guess Jewel is the closest thing I have to a sister. So me and

39:25 Jewel would have done this if I'm laying there dying and he goes, well, I'm sorry to disappoint. And she goes, well, I missed my first, you know, patch party because of that. And he goes, I'm

39:34 sure there's a lot more chlamydia the next one, epic one. Very good, yeah. All right, Matt, give us a final thought. Yeah, like I said, I think this is one of the better episodes. but that

39:47 has come out so far. It was,

39:51 I don't know if everything just came together or whatnot as it pertains to the character building, the story, et cetera. But I think we're back on a good track here. It'll be interesting to see

40:04 where it goes. But I think for the most part, gotten comfortable with all the characters so far. Except Demi Moore You need more Demi? Chuck Meant's more Demi. And I think the, I really, I wish

40:24 I would have just come into the studio today 'cause I feel like you guys, there was probably a part of this that could have been really good to have been there in person with y'all. We'll do it

40:38 again. Regaling about things, but really, man, we talked for about 10 minutes We kind of got in the weeds about land manning. Yeah. No, I thought that was good. And that was fun. That was

40:50 second only to the warden coming on and preaching on why we're all a bunch of idiots. Yeah, she also, she asked if we were all still male-stroading, so. She's male-stroading. She's giving us a

41:03 little back there. But

41:08 yeah, I know, that's kind of the take so far. I'm excited to see where the rest of it goes Yeah, it's four-year up, my favorite quote, the show delivers, and especially Billy Bob, delivers

41:19 kind of one-liners replies perfectly, right? And I love the part where

41:27 Angela, she don't wanna go in the hospital yet to see him, 'cause she's like, he doesn't need to see his mother freak the fuck out. Oh yeah, that would shock the shit out of him.

41:38 She said, I don't wanna walk in if he's missing a leg. Right, right, right. I need to know what I'm gonna walk into. Yeah, and the other thing I'll mention is in this just kind of an

41:49 observation that's not real relevant, I guess, but there is a lot of like B-roll footage in all these Taylor shared. And like, you know, there

41:58 was like a car in this, and it was only 30 seconds, but if you cut to the meat of this show, it's down to like 15 minutes. This one especially was like 32 minute, 34 minute episode. And there's

42:10 a lot of this just like kind of slow music and then a tumbleweed or some shit, whatever it is. And I don't love that. I like to show, I agree with Matt. I like this episode a lot. But, you know,

42:20 I can hit the little 10 second button on my iPad several times. I was like, okay, here comes fucking Sheridan's bullshit and just like start clicking the button forward. It's good for people who

42:30 like the artistic touch. I think Alan Gilmer was the one on Twitter the stadium scene when Ainsley is talking about, you know, he can come anywhere he wants to sign. And he, I think it was Alan

42:44 Gilmer on Twitter said, uh, this is what happens when you try to stretch one episode into like nine. You get filler content. Our our movie maker, I don't think it's a devil's playground. That's

42:53 not exactly. I've never done well when I'm feeling time. I

43:04 promise it's usually with you drinking or something. And it's not. Hey, but that's a good idea. It's a Getty's production. It is building trust. That's right. Good will in the industry. Yeah.

43:14 Gates closes out. I loved the again, going back to what I said earlier, I loved the frontier justice aspect of that. And I know that that was a huge part of our industry, you know, for a very

43:27 long time. I don't think that that's still the way that things play out. I know that there are Harsh disciplines for misconduct and stuff like that if you step out of line on a team but that is

43:44 something where I Enjoyed it seeing that and it's cinematic and and it plays well with the audience and all of that. I'm sure

43:55 There is an element of truth to it, but I don't think that it's actually physical beatings anymore like you can get a lot harsher with a verbal beating from your peers and The people that are above

44:09 you these days and the industry were like, I mean you can get pretty beat down and like yeah Chuck, I'm not picking on you, but like I think you probably have a little bit of experience with that

44:19 like When something gets made the Wall Street Journal, so I got that going for me Yeah, when something gets fucked up in this industry like everybody tries to look out for everybody else Everybody

44:29 wants to make sure that the team is okay that everybody's doing well everybody's taken care of, but at the end of the day, anytime shit hits the fan, everybody has to come together. Yeah. And so,

44:45 I liked that. The little enemies have to do. They built in the character of boss, the crew chief or whatever on that, and I really like that he's on board with all of that. Tommy calls him and

44:58 says, I need six, I don't remember what the term was. I need six beaters Yeah. Thumpers, I need six thumpers who, you know, are not straying from the path or whatever. And like, 100, like

45:14 you got to be a team and you got to take care of your people. Gotcha. All right guys, this has been really fun. I hope everybody has a really merry Christmas. We'll circle back. Cheers to that.

45:28 Absolutely. Thank you for bringing the booze. Yes, sir. I don't know. Are we gonna have to blur that out? Yeah, no. Oh, this was funny. So in the backdrop, you can't see this because we're

45:37 blurring, uh, bore out, but we've got whiskey over here and, uh, one of the major law firms in Houston came over and recorded and they, we had to remove all the, uh, booze and the bad pages.

45:50 That's why I bring my own. I'm away, man. Right. You know, layman. Always ready to rock. Got the Gatorade light right here. That's now done. All right. So Merry Christmas, everyone. Merry

46:01 Christmas. Great. We'll, we'll circle back and we'll get episode seven done sometime over the holidays. And I'm having a blast doing this. I love this. I mean, let's try to do this in person.

46:12 Like he said, all of us next time. There you go. Hey, what, what's the finale? Is there nine episodes? Do we know? I don't know if it's more than that, I think. Oh, okay. Well, if, if,

46:22 if episode six was 60, then maybe it's 10. The finale, we all need to come in.

46:31 Yeah, we need to do that. We should do it at the panic. Well, and we probably ought to do a Twitter spaces about it, about it. Oh, we'll have 90s on there, for sure. Yeah, good God. Also,

46:38 hey, I can't believe that they fucking killed off Michael Pena 'cause that's like Tejano Brown. They killed him off for the first time. Oh my God, God, God, God, God. Come on guys, it's like

46:49 seriously. Tiano Brown's right. You just racist as all get it. Yeah. You know, let's kill off Tiano Brown first. But anyway, you guys are great. Yeah. Happy holidays.