Chuck Yates Needs A Job

0:20 Hey everybody, welcome to Chuck Yates needs a job, the podcast, special episode today. Digital Wildcatters has a new podcast out. We do. Hell yeah. Ooh. Energy 101. I like it. All right. So

0:36 here's what we need to do. Real quick. We'll start over here with Sydney. Introduce yourself. Say what you do at Digital Wildcatters and then we'll start talking about y'all's podcast. Great.

0:47 I'm Sydney I'm a marketing manager. I'm Joel's and I am a marketing coordinator. I'm Misty and I'm an executive assistant. I'm Julie and I run ops and I'm marketing and I'm marketing and I'm

1:02 getting all it. We'll just stop it at ops.

1:07 I don't think anybody would actually sign up for that job. I really, really enjoy it. Oh, that's so sweet. Okay, we're not recording anymore. You can tell us. No, so tell it, you guys got

1:20 together, started a podcast, which I think's really cool, and that's why I'm so glad y'all came on, 'cause I love what y'all are doing. Tell us the name, tell us what it is. Energy 101, where

1:30 we ask the dumb questions so you don't have to. And it's really just a podcast to help us learn energy and help other people listening also learn. We all came from outside of energy So working at a

1:49 place where all we talk about is energy. It was important to all of us to get a deeper understanding of what you guys are talking about. Oh, it was very cool. So we've recorded how many episodes

2:02 so far, Sydney? Four. Four. And we have another one scheduled for next week. Cool. So just give me a sense, who have you had on? What have y'all talked about? Kind of how's it gone down? I

2:14 think my favorite so far has been Diana Grower. with NOV, she talked a lot about their RD and the steps you have to take to research tech and she talked a lot about robots. And I feel like our

2:28 conversation's always kind of spiral into these very niche things that we start with the basic question and always kind of spirals into really fun kind of extra tidbits that I don't think anyone would

2:40 ever think to ask about. So what was the basic question for Diana and the reason I'm asking is next time I go eat lunch with her, I wanna ask it 'cause you're right, she gets into robotics world

2:51 and I mean, I never did offshore stuff. I mean, robots to me is like a Star Wars movie, but it's actually her life. So what was kind of the base question y'all started with? We kind of just

3:02 started chatting with her and it kind of just naturally came up that, and I can't remember what the actual name of the process was that she started talking about, do you? I don't remember, but I

3:14 was gonna say that was like my biggest takeaway

3:17 I related it a lot to the medical field and how technology is developed in the field. And you can't just throw it out there because you have all these lives you're putting at risk. If the technology

3:30 doesn't work or it's not ready. Something readiness scale. Oh yeah, technology readiness scale, does that sound right? Oh, nice. Something like that. Maybe not, don't hold me to that. No,

3:43 'cause I mean, if you think about it, so what Diana does a lot of offshore stuff and, you know, you're under 2, 000 feet of water and it's dangerous. There's a lot of pressure and so robotics of

3:54 lot a makes

3:56 sense 'cause I think one of the things, 'cause y'all, you know, we sit around and we talk about what you guys are doing and it's like, well, we just wanna ask some questions and can we ask the

4:07 stupid question and basics? And I remember one time the idea popped up Well, we should record all those because the other thing I think that comes out of this, not only sort of this base education

4:19 is, we do a lot of really, really cool shit in the oil and gas business. And it's, I mean, I kind of grew up in it, Colin grew up in it, and so it's sort of secondhand to us, but I mean, his

4:31 drill bit video on what you call it, TikTok, I mean, a million people have watched that. How crazy is that? I think the technology just in the oil field is insane And you don't think of it like

4:45 technology in the sense of the word because it's all big machinery, but that's still technology in robots. And I think that's like one really cool thing with Diana is she's able to get you very

4:59 excited about what's coming up in the field. She makes it not so grungy, which was cool. 'Cause when you think of like oil and gas specifically, you think of just like grungy, old, less sexes.

5:13 Not so much the cool side of things. So Misty, who's, give me another episode. Who else did we, did you guys have on besides Diana? We've had Justin

5:27 Gochier.

5:29 Thank you, Julie. And he talked about fluid drilling, right? He kind of broke down the basics of like upstream, midstream, downstream, like basic level, oil and gas. Oh, and I bet Justin was

5:44 really good at it My favorite Justin thing is he posted a picture of himself riding a pump jack, and I put it next to Sarah Stodger's nude picture, and I ran a poll on Twitter of who wore it better.

5:58 And he didn't lose by that much. I was gonna say, he went out. Which was kind of impressive. That must be a thing

6:06 now. I've seen a lot of people on LinkedIn or pictures of people riding pump jacks. Oh my God, okay. Oh, it's always a thing It's always a thing. It's always a thing. You grew up in West Texas

6:16 and you've had three beers. You've really involved in it. Yeah, you

6:20 don't really have much else to do.

6:23 So that's cool. So who else has been on it? So we've had Justin, we've had Diana. And we had Kay McCall. She taught us about renewables. Oh, cool. Give me a factor too that you learned there.

6:35 I think for me with her episode, she broke it down. She broke the industry, energy industry down into two parts And I had never thought of it this way. And probably because I just don't have a

6:48 deep understanding of the petrochemical side. But she broke it down into the power generation side, which is what renewables are. There's not petrochemicals that you're making other products with.

6:60 And then the petrochemical side, which is where oil and gas really comes in. So it was cool to like get it broken down like that 'cause I've never heard of anyone like talking about that before Yeah

7:14 I don't know that. Again, it's just kind of one of those second nature things, you know, that you take oil, you refine it, turns into transportation fluid or fuel that's, you know, 90 somewhat

7:28 percent of all transportation in the world happens because of refined petroleum, right? But then they make a ton of stuff out of it. I mean, plastics, all that. And one of the funniest things is,

7:42 you know, the CEO

7:47 of Patagonia, somebody wanted to put their logo, an oil and gas company wanted to put their logo on a vest, and he said, No, we wouldn't do that. Well, every single product he sells has

7:55 polyester in it, which is made out of oil. So the Colorado Oil and Gas Association voted him customer of the year.

8:04 That's funny. Yeah, no, so

8:08 it's pretty funny Okay, but, okay, so this begs the question.

8:13 I don't wanna come off as needy here, but I think it's gonna come off as needy. You'll have this great podcast. You all are asking these dignitaries base questions on energy to educate, and I

8:25 don't get to come on. Really? I'm sorry.

8:32 What do you you if, Actually. know don't I? about talk wanna remember, we did invite you to come talk about the IRA,

8:39 is that it? Oh, yeah, the Inflation Reduction Act Yes. So, like, I have to host my own podcast to get y'all to ask you that I watched. It's an I for an I. Okay. All right, so far away, ask

8:52 me a question. Is that the question we're gonna talk to the IRA? I actually wasn't prepared for that. Are y'all prepared for that? No, no. Can you break down in simple terms what the Inflation

9:04 Reduction Act is? Yes, so basically what the Inflation Reduction Act does. is when it comes to the energy business is let's call it half a billion, it was at 500 billion or so of credits towards

9:25 the energy business pushing clean energy. And what's interesting about it is historically in America, how we grew up as a country is government would throw money at things, but it sort of just

9:39 threw money at things and said, hey, private sector, you go figure it out, right? You all compete, whoever the winner is. And our tax code is really dirty because industries go in and get

9:52 favorable tax treatment for their industry versus other stuff. But for the most part, what was interesting about the IRA is it came in and basically said, hey, we're going all in on electric

10:04 vehicles, right? And so it said things like, like, here's a tax credit for cars if you buy an electric vehicle, and then it took it a step further and said, oh, by the way, you only get that

10:20 tax credit if I think it said 80 of your battery components are manufactured in North America and or you mined the materials in North America. So not only did it say kind of, hey, we're doing

10:23 electric vehicles. It said we're doing it here and we're prescribing the path. And so it's,

10:44 you know, Mark Meyer, who's starting to hang out with us and potentially going to write, start writing the BDE newsletter for us, he really pointed out that Holy cow, the second order effects of

10:56 this, and we're starting to see that as, you know, Honda came out and said, we're building a battery manufacturing plant here, we're going to spend 4 billion doing it, and you've seen numerous

11:08 kind of announcements like that, so it's You know, it's been interesting watching that amount of money, that amount of favorable stuff in the tax code really push clean energy, but push it in such

11:23 a way where the government has chosen the path we're going to do it because, for instance, if the goal was just to reduce carbon, right? That's why we're driving electric vehicles. The government

11:34 could say, here's 500 billion and, oh, by the way, if you generate less than this amount of carbon in your car, you qualify for it. That's not what they said. They said electric vehicles.

11:48 There are guys out there that have processes and are on the verge of commerciality in terms of doing low carbon gasoline from natural gas. They don't qualify. Why is that? What is the agenda here?

12:06 Well, and that's what's really fascinating about it, at least from my vantage point is. The lobbyist, I guess, for electric vehicles won out. 'Cause the ultimate goal is less CO2 in the air,

12:20 right? Less emissions. Right. But that wasn't tied to the tax. The tax was, you're an electric vehicle. But it was very specific. It was very specific. The government chose the winner right

12:31 there instead of, hey guys, have lower emissions cars and you'll get a tax credit. They said, no, it's electric vehicles So it's interesting 'cause and to the point Mark was making about the

12:45 second order effects, it's not just, okay, we're taking 500 billion and we have a 31 trillion worth of debt. So I hate to say 500 billion is a drop in the bucket but it's kind of a drop in the

12:59 bucket. Instead of just spinning that, it's stepping back to Honda at all building factories here that take 4 billion in all We're really. going to be spending a lot of dollars. And that goes back

13:13 to the big picture thing that we talk a lot about around here is the goal is to reduce CO2. But at the end of the day, we got to do it and spend 5 trillion, not do it and spend 50 trillion.

13:28 Because if we spend 50 trillion, the 45 trillion could do a lot of good things, feed people, the homeless, whatever you want to do with 45 trillion. Because I think basically the markets stated,

13:42 we're going to reduce emissions. And I mean, that's not just the government. That's Apple computer. It's my kids. Everybody has said that. The key for the good of the world, I think, is to

13:55 figure out how to do it without bringing down our quality of living. And we can bring down our quality of living two ways by one, not having cheap, affordable electricity and two, just spending

14:07 more money on things that you shouldn't. Dara is pretty fascinating. We need to get somebody somewhere that knows a lot more about it than I do to actually come on and talk about it. 'Cause I think

14:20 we're gonna look back in five years and go, Holy shit, that was a way bigger deal than even we appreciate it at the

14:27 time. What's the sentiment in the different energy verticals about this, like oil and gas? What's the sentiment there with it? Renewables, what's the sentiment there? Like, is it aligned? Is

14:38 everyone on the same page? Is it like controversy? No, I think oil and gas folks look at it and go,

14:48 okay, so when you look at the tax code and government spending, they're basically kind of two buckets, right? One is if you spend X amount of dollars on something, how you depreciate that over

15:07 time influences your taxes, right? So if we spend 10 billion and we can depreciate that over 10 years. It's a billion a year. Well, it's actually better for us if we can depreciate in two years,

15:20 right? 'Cause everything we depreciate covers up income and we don't have to pay tax on. So it's how you depreciate CapEx. And then there are literally what I define as subsidies. That's the

15:33 government cutting a check to you. And so I think what oil and gas has always had is accelerated depreciation. So people have kind of said, hey, it's really crappy that you drill a 10 million well.

15:49 And about 75 of it can be depreciated in the first year, even though that well is going to be producing oil for 40 years, right? So people have always said that's crappy. Well, oil and gas guys

16:00 say about renewables, they actually get subsidies from the government. I mean, the government gives you a tax credit, I mean, if you spend a hundred dollars building a solar plant, you get 100

16:13 of savings on your taxes, no matter what, if that plant works, doesn't work and all that. So I think oil and gas is saying, Hey, why are you subsidizing all those guys? And I think their

16:24 legitimate argument is at least what I generate oil and gas can be base load in terms of generating electricity. You know, we, winter storm Yuri not withstanding, you know, we can run natural gas

16:41 fired plants generate electricity no matter what. You are in effect encouraging the building of wind and solar, which is great. But when they don't run, we don't have electricity and they don't

16:54 pay a penalty for that. Right? Because the way most certainly the grid and taxes are caught the way it works is you put some electricity on the grid, you get paid for it, right? And so wind and

17:06 solar that in effect gets built for free because the government subsidizing that puts electricity on, makes money. The wind doesn't blow, it doesn't put it on, who cares if you're the wind

17:19 provider. Well, the consumer cares, because all of a sudden the lights go off and all that. And so I think there's that fight between oil and gas and renewables. And in fairness, the renewables

17:34 folks back to the oil and gas, people are, yeah, but your product generates carbon and you don't pay a tax on that. You go pollute the, you know, and so there, there ain't kind of lies the rub

17:45 of the big fight. And quite frankly, why we're having fuses of those folks will get together and talk about that instead of, you know, do you think that if they were to get charged a fine for not

17:60 producing, that it would create innovation, like faster innovation within like the wind solar community? Yeah, yeah. You know, so, so when I did the energy policy draft as a podcast and had

18:16 people on and they chose what their policy was going to be David Rams and woods prescription for the way to create innovation and unleash the free market was no more subsidies, no more accelerated

18:31 depreciation on things Energy y'all just go compete with each other and the winner, the winner falls out whoever wins.

18:42 The, the issue with that is how do you treat carbon. Cause I mean, even if you don't believe that rising co2 levels is leading to global warming, even if you just say no we're in natural cycles

18:54 and all that CO2 still sucks in the air. You know, I mean, you don't sit behind a car and suck in fumes And I, so there is, I think we all agree pollution has some. price. Some people may think

19:10 it's us. Some people may think it's that. So that was David Ramsen Woods way of

19:19 going through creating innovation.

19:23 You know, another thing we clearly need to do is way more shots on goal. I mean, we need to throw money at things and have inventors inventing entrepreneurs trying to create companies around this,

19:40 because we can talk all we want to about how

19:47 we're going to

19:52 reduce carbon emissions, all that. We're not. I mean, it's John Kerry rolling and Stop Flying is playing around. I mean, Leonardo, I mean, 25 year old girls like the plane, right? So I get

20:04 it, Leonardo, you need your plane, So we're not going to reduce our standard of living and the only thing that we've got really out there to if CO2 is this huge problem is technology and the only

20:21 way to get the technology is way more shots on goal. So I think, and I'm a libertarian, so if the government went away, I'd be the happy guy. But at the end of the day, if you're going to have

20:33 government spending money, throw it everywhere, you know, just so we get kind of more shots on goal. This is actually kind of difficult. I'm glad y'all didn't ask me on.

20:44 I feel like this is a crossover. This is so hard. It's like, oh my gosh, I wasn't ready for this. You put you on the spot. I know. The uh, back in the back in the day, Chevy Chase at the

20:55 start of Saturday night live, Gerald Ford was a president and Chevy Chase would impersonate him. And they were doing a mocked presidential debate and Chevy Chase leans on his drill for it. I was.

21:07 And my understanding there was going to be no math on this debate.

21:13 That's how you feel. I have a segment I want to do. Let me do it. Oh my gosh. Surprise. Surprise. Misty's scaring me with that smile. Oh my gosh. What is it? Okay. Yes. All right. So I

21:28 haven't talked. I don't know. I haven't talked to all of you about this, but this is a fun segment that I would actually like to introduce into our podcast, it's called factor cap. And I'm going

21:38 to tell you some

21:42 sentences, some statements about energy and you're going to say factor cap. What does cap mean? That's like, not just this is you, like an overreaction. It's a false statement, like true or

21:55 false, but factor cap, keeping up with the times. Okay I use the use cap in a sentence as me directing towards my.

22:05 Me directed towards my 15, 16 or 20 year old. How would I say that? Stop cappin' on dad? Yeah, I guess. I feel like that's cappin' that people say no cap. No cap. Meaning it's like completely

22:18 true. Like I could be like, I'm wearing a garnish shirt, like no cap. Like you know what's for sure, I'm wearing this color shirt. Everyone in my family is gonna get roasted for me explaining

22:27 what that's cappin' means on a podcast. No cap, okay. All right, so cappin', cappin'. Fact or cap So if it's, you think if it's not true, you just say cappin'. It's another word for like,

22:39 that's false, I guess. Like, that's cappin'. I wonder where it came from? Different segment. Continue, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I'm gonna google.

22:48 Okay, first one, a single lightning bolt unleashes five times more heat than the sun. Fact or cap?

22:57 Fact. I don't actually know the answer. I was waiting.

23:04 We gave a little underprepared today. I'm assuming they're actually facts. But one more, this mightn't just say that either. Okay.

23:17 60 minutes of solar energy could power the earth for a year. Factor cap. Cap. Cap. Oh yeah. Why? Is it cap? I think it's so, it could be cap depending on how you read it. And if you get an

23:31 explanation, solar energy, meaning the sun, not like capturing it, it's just like straight up sun power. Oh yeah yeah, yeah,, so what I took at meaning was the state of solar technology today,

23:49 if it just had an hour of sun, which would be a stupid question, right? That's exactly what I was told today. Yeah, so, no, no, no, that would be a stupid question because of course it gets

24:00 an hour of sun and we don't power the whole world with it. Yeah, yeah, so you're just saying, if we could capture an hour of sunlight, capture all of it and probably have perfect efficiency in

24:14 the transformation. So for the purpose of explaining, the sun is the most powerful source of energy in the universe, sending

24:25 430 quintillion joules. Do you say joules or joules? Jules. Jules. What? Of energy. I've never heard anything about that

24:35 I know. So I've never heard anyone say it like that. Say joules. Jules. Jules. Jules. Is it Jules? It's Jules. It's Jules. Yeah, it's Jules. You're a powerful energy. Yeah, you are. I'm

24:46 being an area of sunlight.

24:49 You wanna do one more? Sure. 10 Google searches can power a 60-watt light bulb. Factor cap. That totally seems like a fact, you know? I mean, so, The fourth largest user of energy on the

25:05 planets, the Xbox network, you know what I mean? Oh, you're all the kids sitting around? Yeah, I read that fact somewhere. Yeah. It's just, it's crazy. I mean, everybody goes on about

25:17 Bitcoin mining and how much energy it uses. It's like, no, it's the kids down in the basement with the heads up. Are they really kids though? The adults. Yeah. They're like, That's right, I'm

25:25 a boy, you're old. Tell us about your ex-boyfriend. That sounds so good Did we lose a boy to the Xbox? Yeah. No, it's the 30 to 40 year old who's kids are taking a nap and they're upstairs

25:40 playing Xbox. Yeah, I can't defend my people, that's very true. So what's the plan? So bring people on, ask kind of basic questions and energy where the podcast goes. Target listener, is this

25:55 kind of like my mom? Mom should be listening to it, who else? I think it's really anyone, whether you're. in the industry, outside the industry, you know a little bit, you know nothing. I

26:07 think it's for anyone who just wants to raise their own IQ, I feel like energy, oil and gas, the IRA, renewables, EVs, there are such big topics that you're seeing almost in every major

26:17 publication every week, there's some sort of something about whether it's gas prices or EVs or, God, I feel like I could go on, but it's for anyone who just wants to raise their IQ 'cause that's

26:30 the goal at the end of the day, is to get everyone, no matter your opinions, is have that base knowledge to be able to have the conversation, which is something I feel like all of us coming from

26:40 outside of energy, working at Digital Outcatters Now, I know that's been kind of a personal goal, I think for all of us, and it's been fun along the way to kind of start at that base level. So

26:50 when you're hearing people come in at the office and talking about it, you actually can listen and know. Follow, yeah. Well, you know, I'll say this as somebody, you know, I mean, I've been

27:01 in energy. 30 years now. And even I would have meetings where we were going through due diligence on land issues and an oil and gas deal and just asking a bunch of basic questions of the land man on

27:20 like, okay, we have a title dispute. What is it? And him or her saying, well, I went to the courthouse and well, what do you do at the courthouse? And you go back and they just walked through

27:33 kind of the basics. And I'm sure they thought I knew that because I've been in the business forever and you know, you don't have a clue. So this is cool. Yeah, I think it's even people within the

27:43 energy industry are so tunnel vision on their specific sector. They're oil and gas. That's all they tunnel vision on that. So renewables, geothermal, like they're not, maybe they're not so

27:56 educated on all of the other energy sectors. So that's another reason why we're doing it. Oh, that's cool. The, so I got lectured when I started a podcast. You know, the key to it is

28:10 consistency. If you're gonna drop Wednesday morning at eight o'clock, drop every Wednesday morning at eight o'clock. Yes, Chad, yes.

28:22 Yolsky. So we are dropping every Thursday starting. How did we drop this Thursday? We did it Next Thursday. Next Thursday. Okay. And how do people find this again?

28:38 Energy 101. So you can, we're on Spotify, Apple, whatever you can search Digital Wildcatters in G101. You can also go to digitalwildcatterscom

28:49 and we're there. And YouTube, are y'all doing video too? Or just audio? Yes, yeah. Nice. Okay, very cool. And so if any of Chuck's listeners who we should have on our topics that we should

29:02 cover. This is great for anyone outside the industry that's like, Hey, I would love to learn more about XYZ. We are your people, we got your back. There we go, there we go. Very cool, the,

29:14 I'm not sure I would have made that broad a statement to my listeners. It's

29:20 kind of like you're gonna get maybe an answer from my mom and my fourth grade teacher, but besides that. Hey, if they don't know much about energy and they wanna learn more, that's our audience.

29:31 Or if you are an expert on a topic and wanna come school us up. Nice, nice, very cool. Wait, before we go, we wanna ask you one last question. All right. Are you ready? I guess. What is your

29:45 most embarrassing story ever? Ooh. Ever.

29:51 Tell us the tea. Ever, the most embarrassing story ever Okay, I'm our bus mom.

30:08 Yes. So I will also think of something more embarrassing while I'm telling this story, this was pretty embarrassing. So one day I was a freshman in high school, right? And that's pretty awkward

30:15 time, right? And it's even more awkward. I'm trying not to get on my soapbox, but as freshmen and high school women, right? Y'all got all the attention from the senior and junior guys,

30:26 everything's cool The freshman guy is the most awkward person on the planet, right? And so I'm sitting in class one time and someone who shall remain nameless 'cause there's an

30:41 outside chance that a high school friend is listening to this. I was actually talking to a really cute girl and my mom barged into class and took my car keys because I had left shorts on the floor.

30:58 of my bed. Wow. Yes. Wow. And God loves Sally yet. She's the greatest human being on the planet. She really is. I need to take some tips from her. Well, she has four boys. And so there were

31:11 just those days when, you know, stuff hit. Mom's a wonderful mom. We had dinner two nights ago. She's very special. Came in, yanked my car keys right in front of cute girl. I was traumatized.

31:26 Thank goodness. What did your girls say? Yeah, they can't, you can't do that now. Oh, small town Richmond, Richmond, Rosenberg. No, you small town Richmond Rosenberg back in the day.

31:37 Anything does mom barged in. And then the teacher said, I don't know what you did. But your mom came in and took you out in the hall and popped you. And then the assistant principal heard that

31:45 your mom did that. He took you to the office and popped you to. So I mean, it was like, then you got home. And because you got popped at school, your mom popped you again. So yeah, it was,

31:54 yeah, it was cute girl making fun of you. I don't know, we never went out.

32:01 We never made eye contact. And it was all because of the keys and Sally. It was all because of the, yeah, it was all because of the keys and Sally. So, yeah, actually in fairness, cute girl

32:14 agreed to go out with me and then stood me up. No. Oh, let's just go ahead and take this story to the end of it. We'll have to break this. We won't say any names on here. Give her a fake name

32:26 Yeah, okay, Sarah Steffi,

32:30 that was an actual name. I feel like that's her. That was very fascinating. I can't believe I'm gonna tell this story on the podcast, but anyway, Sarah doesn't listen to it. She might. Sarah

32:41 and I are friends out, so anyway, Sarah agreed to go out with me and she stood me up. She went and spent the night with all her friends that night, but I got her back later on. But this is like

32:52 how horrible a human being I am I'm fessing up to how horrible. So Sarah started dating my friend, Mike, and like later on, and this was one true love and all that sort of stuff. And so he was my

33:06 best friend. So I kind of had to be nice to Sarah and we were nice and all that. And Mike was going out of town one weekend.

33:15 Oh, chat. Two. Oh, no, no, no, I didn't do what you think I did. Mike was going out of town one weekend to actually cheat on Sarah And I played like I was Sarah's best friend and took her to a

33:28 movie and all that 'cause Mike's out of town and all that. Yes, I was a facilitator of that. Since she Did. Knowingly. Knowingly. then know?

33:37 Oh yeah, she found out. She knows how. Did you tell her? What? No, I didn't tell her. How did you find out? Well, I think Mike finally fussed up to her or, you know, the 12 people at the

33:49 party watching it told her I don't know. God.

33:54 And that is my most embarrassing story, a full circle. That was a good one. I'm kinda breaking out in a sweat, I shouldn't have told that.

34:02 I'm sorry, Sarah, that was very wrong of me. You should end every episode with an embarrassing story. You should, I feel like you have way I know. This was way too traumatic.

34:14 I can't believe, and I'm not coming on Energy 101. Not if this is more of those. Yeah, exactly. We're gonna talk about celebrities if

34:22 you come on Energy 101 like that. Love me some celebrities. Quickly, who is the celebrity that you fangirl the most over? Fangirl the most over - Like when you met you met. That would just star

34:33 struck. I mean, like there's no question.

34:39 It's not even close. The fangirl the most over, Brett Michael of Poison. Totally. So I've hung out backstage with Brett, 'Cause the beauty of a Brett Michael show. Literally everything's for

34:53 sale, right? I mean, hey, I want that hat that Brett wore on

34:57 stage. Tour man's like, well, what will you give me? Yeah. And I mean, so literally one of the shows, I was like, hey, I wanna go hang out in the trailer with Brett Michael. What will you

35:07 give me? And so anyway, I bought my way back and I've subsequently bought my way back about three or four times. So let's call it four or five times I've hung backstage with Brett Michael. And

35:18 I've got a picture on my phone that a buddy took when we were backstage and I call it Brett Michael. Where is my restraining order? 'Cause Brett just looks terrified. But he's like, when is this

35:30 guy going to go away? Is he going to try again? What is this guy going to go away? But the first time I ever went backstage to hang out with Brett Michael, I was star struck. I mean, this is my

35:39 dude, right? Yeah. So I kind of walk up and I'm star shagging. He's like, hey, I'm Brett. And I go, I know this sounds kind of gay, but can I have a hug? And Brett looked at me and goes,

35:49 Dude, that's totally gay, but bring it on.

35:53 Coolest guy on the planet. That's a lot. Yes. Totally fanboy. Well, you guys are very cool to come on. I really like the idea of the podcast. That's, that's going to be really cool. And I'm

36:02 going to go listen to them because I want to hear about robots. I want to hear Justin because Justin's cool. And yeah, and K sounds like that. That's really cool. Her episode was probably like

36:13 one of my favorites. That's already out. So Diana isn't out yet. Okay. Diana will be next week. Okay But Kase is really good. Cool. Justin's what's good to you. Yeah. So Sarah, Stephanie,

36:27 again, I'm sorry, I'm sorry for revealing that story. Well, I don't think that micro content will make its way to Facebook and all our high school friends. So you're probably safe.

36:38 But thank you guys for coming on. Thanks.